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Why Feminism and Christianity Can’t Mix

By: Kristen Clark

Let’s play a quick game. It’s called “What comes to mind when you hear the word?” Here we go.

First word: Men.

What came to mind? Be honest.

Next word. Marriage.

What popped into your head?

Next word: Equality

Hmmm…that’ll get a variety of thoughts. What’d you think of?

Last word: Feminism

Oh yeah. Now we’re getting controversial.

What was the first thing that popped into your head when you read that word?

Great job! You successfully played your first game of “What comes to mind when you hear the word?”

If I played that game in a large auditorium with 50,000 women from all walks of life, the answers would be shockingly diverse. Especially when it comes to the word feminism. This word is controversial to say the least.

Feminism is an interesting topic though because nobody can quite seem to nail down its definition.

You know why? Because it has dozens and dozens of definitions. It wears a lot of hats.

A woman who claims to be a feminist could affiliate with one or more of the following camps:

  • Liberal Feminism
  • Radical Feminism
  • Marxist and Socialist Feminism
  • Moderate Feminism
  • Postmodern Feminism
  • Separatist Feminism
  • Cultural Feminism
  • Eco-Feminism

And many, many others. They keep evolving as time goes on. All of these titles mean something a little different too. It’s hard to keep up.

There’s one common camp I haven’t mentioned yet. It’s the most widely advertised camp and seems to be the one Christian women tend to join.

It’s called equality feminism.

After blogging on a topic about feminism we (GirlDefined) usually receive one or two emails from girls saying things like, “Feminism is a great thing! It fights for equality between men and women.” Or, “You are harming women by opposing feminism!”

In fact, one girl recently wrote us a long comment explaining why feminism is so great. She said, “Feminism is essentially about creating more opportunities for women than previous generations had.”

She obviously aligns with the camp of “equality feminism.” And I can see why. Equality feminism sounds good. Really good.

So is there anything wrong with being a Christian woman and labeling yourself as a feminist?

Well, let’s check out the definition of equality feminism. Read it slowly. “equality feminism focuses on gaining equality between men and women in all domains (work, home, sexuality, law).”

Sounds good.

But did you catch that? Equality feminism focuses on gaining equality in all domains. In a nutshell it means this: Equality for women won’t happen until all traditional gender roles in all domains are equal…as in the same. We’re not equal with men until women can freely swap lifestyles and roles with them.

In most feminists’ eyes, equality means women must have the same jobs as men. Same life plans as men. Same roles in marriage as men. Same roles in parenting as men.

Am I wrong?

Ask any woman who claims to be a feminist if she is in favor of a wife submitting to her husband in marriage. She will rarely say yes. Why? Because she believes equality with men means sameness.

Equality feminism clothes herself in a charming outfit with a warm smile and says, “We’re just innocent, harmless women…all we really desire is to be viewed as equally valuable as men.”

If that’s truly all feminism was concerned about, this post could end in the next paragraph. But it’s not. Not even close. Feminism always puts the “equality” front towards the camera because it’s the most attractive side.

And that’s exactly why we receive emails from Christian girls asking why we’re against feminism.

They see the enchanting tip of the feminist iceberg and wonder, “Why is a Christian website like GirlDefined against women having equal value as men?”

If these girls took a quick second to poke their heads underwater, they would quickly see the gigantic mass hiding underneath.

The fact is, GirlDefined is 100% in favor of equality between men and women. That should be obvious. We even wrote an article on it (here). And you know what? We didn’t think of it first and neither did feminism.

God did.

From the beginning of time God clearly stated that “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27).

Equally valuable humans.


It doesn’t end there.

The man and the woman were created by God to be equal in value but different in roles. God didn’t design us to be the same. He didn’t design us to do all the same things. He created one male and one female with differing roles and jobs.

He created two different genders on purpose and for a purpose.

Most feminists aren’t too fond of God’s design for gender.

They don’t like the idea of the man being dubbed as the primary leader, initiator, and provider. They don’t like the idea of Eve being created as a helper to Adam. They just don’t like these things.

Feminism has rejected God as the ultimate authority for life and instead placed herself on the throne. The god of feminism pridefully says, “I know better than God and will live out my womanhood how I think is best.”

In addition to not liking God’s design for gender, equality feminism stands for far more than it’s friendly name suggests. If you do a little homework you’ll quickly discover how many other “women’s rights” issues equality feminism promotes. Let’s dive beneath the surface to see how big and narley this iceberg really is.

Right NOW (today) almost all feminist groups strongly stand for the following:

  • A woman’s right to abort (murder) her unborn baby.
  • Lesbianism and the right for women to marry women.
  • Complete liberation from sexual boundaries and morals.
  • Freedom from traditional gender roles in marriage.
  • Rejection of God as the ultimate authority in life.

The average American would agree that most feminists strongly stand for the above causes. I don’t know about you, but those are some serious anti-biblical “rights.” Right?

If you currently claim to be a feminist, I hope you will carefully consider what that word means and what it’s largely associated with.

Here’s the hard to swallow truth: As a Christian woman, you can’t agree 100% with God’s Word and agree 100% with feminism at the same time. They just don’t mix in most areas. In fact, if we threw all of the feminist ideologies into the same pot, the Bible would strongly oppose 99% of it.

At its root, feminism is built upon a foundation completely devoid of God. The feminist movement is woven with the same sin Satan committed in the beginning. A rebellious heart that pridefully says, “I don’t need you, God. Thanks, but I’ll do things my way.”

When we reject God’s created order and purposes for our lives as women, we will not find lasting happiness.

We will not find lasting fulfillment. We will not find lasting peace. Why? Because as C.S. Lewis says, “God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing.”

A secular study published in the UK Daily Mail confirmed this fact as well, “Women are less happy nowadays despite 40 years of feminism, a new study claims. Despite having more opportunities than ever before, they have a lower sense of well-being and life satisfaction.”

We don’t need feminism to inform us of our worth and value.

God already says we’re equally valuable. We don’t need to become feminists to promote this area of biblical teaching. What we do need is to lovingly show all women how valuable and precious they are to God. We need to re-embrace God’s design for marriage, family, dignity of life, and sexuality. We need to repent of our pride and accept God’s Word as the authority in our lives.

Feminism has never offered a solution that the Bible hasn’t already taken care of.

God’s Word has all the answers we need. In Christ, we (men and women) will find all the fulfillment, worth, value and purpose this life has to offer.

How about you? Where do you stand?

  • In what ways has the ideology of feminism seeped into your worldview? Do you need to repent of having a heart of pride before God?
  • Do you look to feminism to answer your questions about womanhood? If so, have their answers satisfied you?
  • What mindset changes do you need to make so God’s Word becomes the authority in your life?
  • Will you take a step of obedience by trusting your Creator’s design for your womanhood?

I’d love to chat about this topic with you below! Feel free to share what’s on your mind.

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629 Responses to Why Feminism and Christianity Can’t Mix

  1. Jullyetta Erikowa says:

    I love this article. If only more women looked at feminism this way. I feel being a woman is unique, just the way God created her.

  2. Elizabeth Williams says:

    Wow, great post! I never realized there were THAT many types of feminism. And you know, we think of feminism of being a social or political issue, when really, it’s a spiritual issue. Your blog has really helped me out a lot about understanding the importance of gender and really being able to have a firm foundation for my beliefs. I remember reading your blog post about equality not being the same as sameness(don’t remember the exact title). That is a blog post that really sticks out for me, and I’m really thankful for reading it!

  3. Justme says:

    Thanks for this post, helped me understand a little more about feminism 🙂 sometimes I feel pressure (especially at work but my immediate family doesn’t pressure me like this) that I need to be the one in control and to take that control. But really God is the one who is in control and I want to be submissive to Him, and one day I pray that God will bring a man in my life, whom I can submit to, knowing that ultimately I’m submitting to God too. Don’t know if that makes sense but hopefully you see what I’m trying to say 🙂

  4. Claire says:

    I’ve never had any pressure in my life with this issue up to now, but I will definitely keep this in mind when I go off to college this fall. I’ll be attending a state university and with that comes the potential brainwashing…

    • Azi says:

      My two cents, so take this with a grain of salt: question everything. If something doesn’t seem right to you, ask and see where the other person is coming from. People who care enough about what others have to say will listen to you, even if they won’t necessarily change their minds. Don’t be afraid to explain why you believe what you believe, but do it out of honesty–doing something just to look better than someone else will show.

      Also, pray, pray, pray, and pray. Oh, I did I mention pray? 😉

    • First Amendment says:

      Hope you’re doing well. Most colleges tend to be liberal, but this is a great thing if you want to strengthen your faith. Debate is a really healthy way to deepen your understanding of not just your personal convictions, but those of your peers and professors.

      With that being said, everyone should believe in the basic tenets of feminism– don’t see how this is “brainwashing.”

    • Victoria says:

      I think you’ll find that there is very little brainwashing that happens in public universities. You may encounter different beliefs, but I think you will find, as I have, that many of the people are there because they want to help you learn and not to push an agenda onto you.

  5. Ann says:

    I think the major reason why we shouldn’t fully approve of the modern day feminist agenda is their belief of “sexual liberation”. I think this somewhat correlates to the high divorce rates and breakdown of the family today.

  6. Azi says:


    Thanks for posting. I think that the thing that you and I
    undoubtedly agree with is that women and men aren’t expected to live the same
    kinds of lives. Much of this blog encourages women to have the right to be
    wives and mothers, helping their husbands and children, and I’m definitely for
    that! I think that we need to promote this message, especially since many women
    don’t see the value in being women who give their lives to their family. To say
    that there aren’t any differences between men and women at all is
    narrow-minded, in my opinion. And I strongly believe that the sexual revolution
    and push towards abortion have made many women miserable.

    But isn’t it true that we had that choice from the very
    beginning—that as Christians men are women are called equally to live towards
    God’s word, even if we don’t do the same things? And isn’t that technically
    what the core of “feminism” is, even with its distortions?

    In this way I wouldn’t call rebelling against God-defined
    roles “feminism.” True feminism, I think, really isn’t supposed to “re-define”
    anything. It’s more a vehicle for action—allowing women to have opportunities
    rather than keep them away from them. I would say it’s a terminology difference
    than anything else, although the principles are the same.

    Lately I’ve been doing some thinking about why women have a
    problem with being helpers to males. I think it’s because “helper”
    automatically assumes that females have to be the second-place and that they can’t
    fulfill as much as males. In reality, though, you see tons of women (and godly
    women, for that matter) doing their jobs independently and well without having husbands, assuming that “helper” refers to women in marriage.

    So if anything it’s having a problem with that particular role of women that’s the problem. But I would say that neither a man nor a woman are superior in a marriage, and “helper” is used so women realize that they can’t be the controlling ones in relationships—just as much as men can’t be controlling to their wives.

    • Sara says:

      I would definitely say that the main problem with “complementarianism” as I’ve often heard it referred to as is that it defines womanhood solely in relation to men. A woman’s main purpose in life is to be a helper to a man and have children so at the end of the day it really ends up only being applicable to married women who have biological children. Single women and childless/infertile women end up being left out of the equation and not seen as Real Women because they aren’t fulfilling the roles of wife and mother. It seems rather alienating. That is another reason why I think feminism is important. It affirms the worth of women whether they are married or not or childless or not. Feminism says that it’s okay to be yourself, and not that you have to live up to a certain standard to be labeled worthy. It offers women more choices while still affirming their right to have families if they want. (Not really sure where this notion that feminists hate marriage/family came from but it’s not true.)

      • Clarissa says:

        But they could adopt children! 🙂

        • Sara says:

          Adoption is great and I am all for it if that is what a couple feels called to do. However, I still think it is important to make sure that women know that they are important and have value even if they don’t have/can’t have children. Or if they don’t have a husband. Centering everything around marriage and children is still alienating to many. And sadly I think many young Christian women start thinking that there is something wrong with them and that they are defective or not fulfilling God’s purpose for them if they can’t get pregnant or find a husband. They need to know that they still matter even if they don’t have those things. I really don’t think most complementarians do a good job of getting that message across. Even a lot of articles aimed at single women are about how to become more marriageable or how get a guy to ask you out and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of focus on the idea that you can live a happy fulfilling life as a single woman or about fostering independence and self worth as an individual. To me this is a problem.

          • Rosalie says:

            Hey, Sara! 🙂
            Just a couple quick thoughts I had after reading your comments. 🙂
            1) It is not the culture’s job to affirm men OR women. Christian men and women need to be finding their value and importance in Christ.
            2) It’s not a sin per ce for girls to ask guys out, but it does rub against the grain of our original design. Ladies were made to be the helpmeets of the guys. Guys were made to protect and lead us ladies. The problem with girls asking guys out is that it sets the girls up as the initiator/driving force in the relationship emotionally, spiritually, and physically when men are supposed to be doing the leading.
            Anyway, just a couple thoughts. 🙂 🙂

          • Sara says:

            1) I never said that it was culture’s job to affirm anybody, only that feminism teaches that girls have inherent value whether or not they conform to expectations put on them by religion or culture. The religious jargon preached on this websites says that a girl’s worth comes from her ability to have children and be a “helper” to a man and that’s it. I think this is harmful to girls as it does not allow them to foster their own individual identities apart from the narrow restrictions and expectations put on them.
            2) I don’t buy into the idea that something as silly as asking someone out on a date sets the tone for the whole relationship. Nor do I buy into the idea that relationships need to have leaders and followers. And if you actually think that girls are not allowed to actually take initive in their lives and relationships I think that is extra sad. But the more I read here the more I realize you all seem to think it’s still 1955 rather than 2015 and gender roles are apparently the key to salvation. I think that line of thinking is bizarre and it just getting more and more bizarre by the minute. So I’m out.

          • Azi says:

            Although the reason why I do like the idea of a guy asking out a girl, I find it difficult to generalize and say that’s how it SHOULD be done.

            Maybe we could argue that since it’s been done before and a lot of good relationships have come out of it, it’s a good thing. But on the other hand, that doesn’t guarantee a good relationship either.

            Even if we say that men are “natural” chasers, should we still say that women shouldn’t ask men out? Maybe it would be better to encourage women to let things take course in a relationship and slowly reveal feelings as things progress.

            I don’t know; I’m getting off-topic, but I’m having trouble explaining this to myself because I’ve never been in that position of having to ask a guy out before. But who knows what will happen? I guess it’ll take a couple of years before I find out. XD

          • Rosalie says:

            Good thoughts, Azi! 🙂 (Btw – I think your name is super cute.:))
            I agree that it doesn’t guarantee a good relationship, but what does?
            I’m in the same boat with you: I’ve never been in the position of asking a guy out either. 🙂 🙂

      • First Amendment says:

        I agree with you. A major problem with the complement belief is that it judges women on male terms.

  7. Alli Ramsay says:

    Hi Kristen,

    Thanks for the awesome post! I had a quick question, though. Have you taken a look at the book “Jesus Feminist” by Sarah Bessey? I have not read it, but I know people who have and have said that they really liked it. Granted, these people are on the more… progressive side, but I was still curious none the less. If you have read it, do you have any thoughts on it?

    • GirlDefined says:

      Hey Alli, I have not read “Jesus Feminist” so cannot speak from personal experience. However, many Bible teachers and leaders I respect seem to have many cautions about this book. I encourage you to read this review:

      • Victoria says:

        Your beliefs should be strong enough to be able to handle contrasting opinions. I would be hesitant to write off something based on what others are telling you – even people you trust can be wrong sometimes. As you are in a position of leadership over many girls through this blog, you would do well to fully research your opinions before making claims. “Jesus Feminist” is a beautiful book that is based in a love of Scripture and I would highly recommend reading it.

  8. Abby says:

    Found your website via a link on Twitter and I absolutely love it. I’ve been an anti-feminist for a while and your articles are awesome. I so agree with this one, especially. I love that you brought up abortion. You may already know this, but Live Action has uncovered several instances of Planned Parenthood covering up rape/sex trafficking. Very sad stuff.
    I would only add two things to this (and you may very well have already covered them elsewhere), those being the selfishness behind modern feminism and its constant lying. I am constantly seeing American feminists spout the lie that American women are oppressed–a downright lie– while using a wage gap they made up to prove their point. They love to tell you that they care about all women, but their actions speak much louder than their words. Their focus is constantly on themselves, crying oppression and sexism over ridiculous things, while ignoring women across the world in places like the Middle East endure horrors that we American women cannot even begin to imagine. To see that selfishness, that complete ignorance of women who truly DO need someone to stand up for them, breaks my heart.
    Anyway, this article (and the others I’ve read) is fantastic. Thanks for not being afraid to speak the truth! 🙂

    • GirlDefined says:

      Hey Abby, so glad you found us through Twitter! Thanks for stopping by and commenting. You make some really eye opening points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

    • First Amendment says:

      The wage gap is very real; a lot of it stems from the fact that success and likability are positively correlated for men and negatively for women. This means that society likes successful men but hates successful women. I suggest you read Sheryl Sandberg’s book entitled “Lean In.” She’s a wonderful woman who worked at Google and served as the COO of Facebook.

      Feminism is not limited to the U.S. Thankfully, we live in a country where women aren’t forced to undergo genital mutilation, where women can vote, where women aren’t raped, where women aren’t shot for going to school… But feminists do realize the dire need of societal change in countries that practice such archaic and oppressive laws for women. International Women’s Day is coming up in a few weeks on Tuesday, March 8. Support women’s causes with me!

      There are a ton of wonderful women’s ministries. I’ve donated in the past– you can choose to send a girl to school, to sponsor a girl, to pay for a girl (this will help her avoid being sold into human trafficking).

      While you may not see the validity of feminism in your own country (perhaps you’re not working yet), when you denounce feminism like you did it makes the struggle that women face all over the world less important.

      “We cannot all succeed when half of us are held back.”
      – Malala Yousafzai

  9. Bronté says:

    This post is really great. Two question though. 1. Are you saying that feminism and equality feminism are two different things? and 2. Is it okay to be a feminist instead of equality feminist?
    God bless. 😀

    • GirlDefined says:

      Hey Bronte, thanks for reading this post. In answer to your two questions: 1. Equality feminism is STILL feminism, but just a particular group that doesn’t want to be associated with some of the more extreme feminists. 2. I personally don’t believe it’s good for a Christian woman to align with ANY feminist group (including equality feminism) because of what they stand for as a whole. By and large, feminism fights for things that are 100% opposed to God’s Word such as: Abortion, homosexuality, sexual liberation, and so much more.

      • harshika swarup says:

        I respectfully beg to disagree. Not all feminists, whatever type they may be identifying with, support that list you give. I have met plenty of them who dont espouse abortion or homosexuality etc. i am a born again christian feminist and am dismayed by how small and narrow your definition of feminism is. Like any movement, feminism has its problems. Just like even the church has. I would like to know if you have ever travelled to the middle east or south asia? And seen the state of women in these regions? If you have, then i am surprised you still denounce feminism which has done so much for us women in these parts. If you haven’t, then we can talk more after you have witnessed first hand the plight of these women. We are talking about female genital mutilation, child marriages, dowry deaths, female foeticide, honour killings, high rates of assault and rape, everyday discrimination in families and homes… What in the world are you talking about!!!!???

        • Andrew says:

          “female genital mutilation, child marriages, dowry deaths, female foeticide, honour killings, high rates of assault and rape, everyday discrimination in families and homes”

          That is why Christians need to reach out with God’s love to these broken societies. Remember, Mark 12:30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ 31″The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

          What these people need to Christianity not feminism.

          • First Amendment says:

            Feminism is necessary to elevate women out of societies that oppress them. The goal of feminism and Christianity is the same: to treat women with respect. It’s so hard for people here to see this. At the end of the day, feminism and Christianity promote the same ideas of respect and love.

      • First Amendment says:

        Feminists stand for equality. That’s the base. Anything else is a matter of personal opinion.

        There are feminists who vote Republican.
        There are feminists who vote Democrat.
        There are feminists who believe in traditional marriage.
        There are feminists who believe in all marriage.

        To think that feminists “largely fight for thing 100% opposed to God’s Word” is really akin to thinking that all Muslims are “largely” terrorists.

  10. Feminists have principles against the throne , and of God’s character :
    Abortion – God knows you exist before you were born . And you agree with abortion ? ( Jeremiah 1 : 5; Matthew 05:21 )
    Homosexuality is the lack of concrete identity in God ; rebellion (Deuteronomy 23:17 ; Leviticus 18:22 ; 20:13 )
    Lust and sexual liberation – is opposed to the holiness of God ( Galatians 5: 19-21 )
    Against submission of the wife to her husband – is a principle against the authority of God ( Ephesians 5:22 )

    After all these verses , you still supports feminism ? May God give you a broken heart to change their distorted concepts!

    • Retha Faurie says:

      Christian feminists will actually agree with all these texts! Abortion, homosexuality, lust, are not feminism. Some feminists and some sexists support it. Some feminists and some sexists do not.

      “Sexual liberation” , supported by some feminists and some sexists, with other feminists and sexist not supporting it, is an idea that women’s sexual activities should be judged as liberally and forgivingly as those of men with power. The Christian idea, of course, is that God is equally against, but equally forgiving of, the sexual transgressions of men and women. Believers with double standards for men and women on this are sexists. The Christian has to know – and the Christian feminist knows – to sexually follow the will of God – and God does not have double standards on this.
      As for submission, Christian feminists believe all believers should submit to one another. (Eph 5:21) That means Christian wives should submit as Eph 5:22 say, and Christian husbands should submit as the combination of “love your wife” and “love does not seek its own way” say.

    • Little old LOL me says:

      After reading this Melissa, I didn’t even have to guess that you are likely non-white; you look much like my EX-wife actually. Anyway, what you share will go in one eye-ear and out the other among feminists but, God is with you so please continue to share natural truths.

    • First Amendment says:

      “Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings.”

  11. Andrea says:

    I too used to believe in the headship/submission form of marriage. But now, in my 50’s, I have changed my view. Please understand- I am in love with Jesus more than ever before, am pro-life, am a pastor’s wife, home school mom, been married to the same man for 27 years, teach Sunday school, and lead worship at our church. But I now believe that God created husbands and wives as equals, friends and co-heirs in the promises. After counseling many women who were verbally and sometimes physically abused by their Christian husbands, I studied the verses that cause so much pain. What I learned is this:

    1) Eve was Adam’s helper, but this didn’t mean servant or maid. We don’t see Eve helping Adam by washing his clothes or cleaning his house; she was created to help Adam rule the world. As woman, she was given equal status as part of “mankind.” She had equal responsibilities and equal blessings. It appears that as salt is to pepper, peanut butter is to jelly, Eve was Adam’s Helper in that she helped to complete the set: man + woman = mankind. This was God’s beautiful, original design for husbands and wives.

    2) At the fall, Eve was cursed, with all women, to be ruled by her husband. Ever since the curse, in nearly every society, women have been ruled by men. In some cultures, women are the legal property of their husbands and can be abused, sold, or even killed.

    3) In the Old Testament, slavery is always mentioned as a curse, never part of the blessings for God’s people.

    3) Jesus broke that curse, along with every other curse, at the cross. Christian women are now free- co heirs with men once again to enjoy all the blessings and promises of God.

    4) In 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, Paul has many rules for women.
    They are told to keep silent in church, wear head coverings or wear long
    hair, and never teach a man. Paul says women “are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.” But why would Paul, who in Galatians says
    that “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law,” and now “there is
    neither male nor female; you are all one in Christ Jesus,” and “if you are led
    by the Spirit, you are not under the law,” now put women (half the church)
    under the law? I think Paul was trying to jolt these churches back into grace. This
    makes sense considering how in 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 Paul tells the people that
    he can’t talk to them as Spirit filled believers; because of their carnal
    behavior, he must speak to them as people still under the law.

    5) In Philippians 4 and Romans 16, Paul mentions many women who were ministers, deacons, teachers, laborers, co-prisoners and co-workers for the Lord! These women were anything but silent. It seems these women broke the rules of 1 Corinthians and Paul was very happy for it! Why? Because they lived in grace, not legalism. Remember, the law kills but the Spirit gives life! It is for freedom that Christ set you free, do not be burdened again with the yoke of slavery!!

    6) When Paul tells wives to submit, he tells husbands to love (agape) their wives. 1 Corinthians 13 tells us that agape love is patient, kind, and doesn’t demand its own way. This is, of course, the very heart of submission. So, in reality, Paul is telling husbands and wives not to demand their own way… submit to the desires of the other, just like Christians are supposed to act with all people at all times.

    7) The husband is head of the wife, as Christ is head of the church… How is Christ our head? Is He demanding or patient? Is He angry or loving? As Christ gave us the example of how to agape love, husbands are to usher this kind of love into the marriage. They are the heads in that they are to be the model of agape love for their families. Nabal was “head” by being an angry, demanding
    tyrant that no one could reason with (1 Samuel 25). Clearly God was not pleased with Nabal’s behavior!

    Solomon, however, was “head” by not being demanding…. When his wife was tired and turned him away one night, Solomon didn’t throw a tantrum and demand his own way, he quietly turned and left. King Lemuel, husband to the Proverbs 31 woman, also ushered this Godly love into his marriage. His wife was an intelligent woman who pursued many interests during her lifetime. Lemuel gave her the freedom, one fellow human to another, too follow her creative desires. He was “head” by being respectful to her, considerate of her needs, and proud of her talents. She, in return, loved him dearly and did him no harm all the days of his life.

    My advice to Christian women is to marry a man who will be a friend, not a ruler.

    • leannacoylecarr says:

      Beautiful, honest, and well thought out response. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us younger women.

      • Little old LOL me says:

        Wisdom? It doesn’t matter since an accelerating number of men in droves and of all ages, will never commit to living together while especially have a child. So keep it up as it will not be long when the birth rate plummets below 1 child especially among white women. Have Independent fun with you Careers, but don’t whine when cancer of your reproductive organs (not just breasts that aren’t being used naturally), also accelerates because they are not being used as intended. Also, how are you going to contend with immigrants of a different skin colour and especially culture take over through shear numbers? Do you really think they will, like white and black men, put up with the Caucasian women controlling the Jobs via their dominance of human resource offices? The day of reckoning is coming as more young women are starting to denounce women in their ~ 30s through 60s as ruining their lives = unnatural feminism ideology. Self-centred corruption. MGTOW, a new movement is blossoming and, when men of all political stripes, backgrounds and ages embrace it, droves of females will never have a child.

    • Hannah B says:

      This was a beautiful interpretation of God’s purpose for men and women.

    • Bleu says:

      This is great, thank you!

  12. Elisabeth says:

    Very good thanks!!

  13. C says:

    Hi, ladies of Girl Defined. It’s awesome that you spend your time encouraging and exhorting young women of faith. I may not agree on every point, but I can see that your sincere desire is to point young women to Jesus. I also want to offer a caution: Jesus loves us all, where we are. This means he loves the woman who’s never married and had children, he loves the woman who works outside her home, he loves the women in other countries who may never have the same kind of opportunities that American women have to pursue homemaking and wife and motherhood. All three of those things are good things! But they’re not universal. Some women, do not have the freedom to pursue homemaking. Some women are not able to bear children. Some women never marry. Yet all these women are equally valuable to our Savior. And, honestly, believing that women have direct access to Jesus as their Lord and Savior – that’s what makes me a feminist. Being 100% percent in favor of the equality of men and women, that’s what makes you ladies feminists! Please hear me out. We could use a different term for it. You’re young women who believe that women have value. You believe that Jesus died on the cross for women, that he purchased their salvation with his sacrifice. It’s easy to toss out feminism – because it has been, by some, associated with man-hating and the demise of the family. It has been used as an excuse for things we know are not Godly. So has Christianity! But we don’t toss out our faith just because someone could come along and say “What type of Christian are you?” we don’t toss our faith just because there are lots of ideas out there about what it means to be a Christian, or just because atrocities have been commited in the name of the Lord. What about absolutes? The absolutes are that Jesus died on the cross and rose again, to save sinners, and that all who believe on him shall be saved. It’s so simple. Feminist or not, any woman who calls on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. “And then she won’t be a feminist anymore!” You might say. Maybe she won’t be. Maybe she will be. What matters, after all is not what we eat and drink, as Paul puts it, but “righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.” “But righteousness doesn’t lead to feminism!” But maybe for some women it does. Maybe some Christian women advocate for better lives for women because they believe it’s the righteous thing to do. In the article, it’s stated that we don’t need feminism because Scripture already gave us equality. Feminism reacts to the fallenness of the world. A fallen world, and sin, gave us women treated like property, like people who couldn’t access Jesus directly. Salvation gives us something beautiful: people standing before the foot of the cross, humbled by the rescue of their Savior. I’m a Christian feminist because I believe women belong amongst those people. Women have a place there, at the foot of the cross.

    • So, wouldn’t that just make you a Christian then? What does that have to do with feminism. If the sole reason of you being a feminist is because you believe Jesus loves us all equally then that makes you a Christian not a feminist. Actually, most feminists would claim Christianity is a form of oppression created by the patriarchy which would explain why most of them are nonreligious.

  14. Sarah Elizabeth says:

    Have you ever read the book “Jesus Feminist” by Sarah Bessey? If so, what do you think about it? Do you agree with what she writes?

  15. Retha Faurie says:

    If you want to know more of the origins of feminism, look up people like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who was distressed about things like widows losing their homes, mothers not getting their share of custody, and people caught up in slavery. In short, she cared about what Isaiah 1:17 say:

    ” Learn to do right; seek justice.
    Defend the oppressed.
    Take up the cause of the fatherless;
    plead the case of the widow.”

    And all feminism is equality feminism. The dictionary definition of feminism is: “the advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.”

    Granted, some feminists prefer not to use the word “equality” in their definition, for reasons like this: “”A commitment to sexual equality with men is a commitment to becoming the rich instead of the poor, the rapist instead of the raped, the murderer instead of the murdered.” – Andrea Dworkin

    But even they want to have equal opportunities, equality before the law and being equally safe as men – they emphatically do not want women to oppress anyone.

    If you say “Most feminists aren’t too fond of God’s design for gender,” make sure you actually know what His design is. Unlike what you may think, many Christian feminists love to know “of Eve being created as a helper to Adam”. We know that “helper” does not mean an assistant who is ordered around. The Hebrew (the language Genesis was written in) word is usually used for God, and always for a strong person mercifully helping a weaker person – never for a servant whom you can order around. I want everyone to know that God made woman as the kind of helper that can also be translated with “strength” or “rescuer”, but not with “maid” or “secretary” or “assistant”!

    As for “almost all feminists stand for the following” that is you are stereotyping. Christian feminists usually does not stand for those things. And if you put Christian feminists into one camp with unbelieving ones, the same could be done to Christian and non-Christian non-feminists. As in, for example: “Rape is higher and less prosecuted in non-feminist societies. The countries with the highest abortion rate, India and China, murder unborn girls because of gender inequality. Non-feminist countries are much poorer, except if they happen to have oil.”

    I agree that “If [I] currently claim to be a feminist, I [should] carefully consider what that word means and what it’s largely associated with.” By the meaning, I am one. I cannot help if others associate it with negative things. For example, me and you probably both call ourselves “Christians”, even though some people associate that with judgementalness and hypocrisy.

    You speak of “agreeing 100% with feminism” , which I find the same as “agreeing 100% with Christianity”. No feminist agrees with all theories put ahead by all other feminists, and no Christian agrees with all modes of baptism, all ideas on the rapture, or all ideas on how to get saved, ever put forward by other feminists or Christians. But the basic idea of feminism is completely suitable to man and women both being created to rule the earth (Gen. 1:26-28), and no believer being supposed to lord it over another (Matt. 20:25-27) – that is for worldly people.

  16. N says:

    If men fulfilled their roles, there wouldn’t be a need for feminism. Men enjoy a favourable stance in society. Think of the woman at the well. A lot of times, especially in families, women have to step in and fulfil the role of a man because, well, they run away from their roles and responsibilities as fathers and are hardly called out for that. You preach about how women are not supposed to do A B and C because it is a man’s job, but fail to see that a lot of them are put into situations where they have to take over such roles cause man is not doing his part. Women are ALWAYS ALWAYS reminded to submit but men are hardly ever reminded to love their wives like Christ loves the Church. LIKE CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH. How must I fulfil my role if you fail to respect me as a woman? As another person? I am from South Africa where cultural gender roles are deeply embedded into society. Such a movement, I think, is necessary to counteract such norms which include, among many others, the feeling of entitlement among men.

    • tertioptus says:

      “Women are ALWAYS ALWAYS reminded to submit but men are hardly ever reminded to love their wives ” that is anecdotal. I’ve been to a lot of different churches, and most preachers seemed deathly afraid to broach the topic of wifely submission. They kind of blurt it out, and go in to detail about how husband should love their wives.

      Only Godless women go on and on about men not doing their job. How is that Christ like. First of all the women who think she knows better already has an awful disposition. No man will be able to stand up to her tests. God may secretly call the man up to the mountain, like Moses, and that woman will say “Where are you going, we have chores today!”. One thing we can assume, he will not call you secretly to a mountain, before your husband.

      If your an atheist, by all means partner up, go egalitarian, fight to bend the other to your will and world view. If you are a Christian woman, be quiet on contentious matters, and prove you faith in God, LIKE CHRIST on the cross. If the man does not do his job, God will take care of him. The problem is that most “Christian” women don’t like that, because truthfully, they don’t really believe in the God of Christ, and Abraham, etc.

      • Retha Faurie says:

        No way! The Hebrew for help meet for him” (Gen 2:18) is ezer (help) k’negdo (meet for him).
        Ezer – help – is a word mostly used for God in the Bible -not an assistant, but a strength you cannot do without.

        K’negdo – meet for him – is an equal, an opposite, on his level, to stand against or with him (against when he is wrong, with when he is right).

        For that reason, it is the job of a woman to stand against a wrong-doing man. To let him continue to treat you badly is to not encourage Christian behaviour. And allowing him to mistreat you is not “submitting as to Christ – Christ will not mistreat.

        As for God calling a woman “secretly to a mountain”, before her husband – God told Mary about her pregnancy first, she said she wanted to obey God in it, and then God told Joseph he needs to marry her any way – despite being pregnant with a baby that is not his.

        • tertioptus says:

          God spoke to Mary, Sarah, and John the Baptist’s mom. All having to do with giving birth.

          What your’e saying is totally antithetical to the message of God. If you don’t like it that’s fine, make your own religion, as it seems you have. You’re interpretation of “help meet” allows a woman to determine whatever she thinks is nonspiritual, and fight about it. This does not fit with the entirety of the Word. To believe that is just rebellion. How can a woman be of equal strength and a weaker vessel at the same time. tread lightly Retha, you are trying to conflate feminist doctrines with the Word of God.

    • Estrela says:

      I agree with you, it seems the church is blind to the world we live in and the suffering we endure, God forbid someone else they don’t agree with stands up for what’s right.

  17. mac says:

    Feminist Christian is an oxymoron…..completely incompatible to the word of the Lord.
    Those that say other than this are of satan. Just as Jezebel met her ending….so too will the feminist.

  18. DBM092015 says:

    Apparently your view of feminism is jacked up… Read the Webster’s definition of feminism, then read 1 Corinthians 11:11.

  19. Elsa says:

    I’m a Christian and I think that men and women can swap role and that they can share an equal relationship and my church and pastor think the same. A father can be as loving as mother and can also take care of the home. A woman can also have a career. Jesus gave an important place to women in his time. I personally wouldn’t be happy if I stayed at home and had an unequal marriage. Having a career and sharing the chores with my husband enable me to find happiness. However, I disagree with feminists on the subject of abortion. I’m pro-life and always will be.

  20. mac says:

    Makes me really pleased as a man to read what you have written. We have the masculine & the feminine,….why would a women forgo such beauty in the feminine (which is so much more than skin deep) to become more masculine, to somehow try and defeat her given form as given by God. We are equal in God’s eyes….but not in duty. If we truly love our wife from the heart and she her husband…..then we are a treasure to each other,….but many now do not know what love is,… is giving as God gives to us, it is not competing against each other. To know Gods love we then know by contrast what love is not. Modern feminists have withdrawn from God…..They are the modern day Jezebels caught up in their own ego, power and control…enslaving men….leading them astray….however, they can never be pleased, know peace or be content as they do not know love. They have been deceived as Eve was in the garden, Satan was behind it then as he is now… will be like God he said.
    The destruction of the family is happening right before our eyes. They hate the “patriarchy”….as they would loudly & proudly proclaim.The head of the patriarchy is none other than God the father.

  21. Tabby Dharma says:

    I am a feminist and christian – I go by the term Femi-Christ as I believe that Jesus was in fact a female. Being a Christian and Feminist can work but the first step is to take away any power from men as they are the least holy of our species – Women can lead the way to god.

  22. Tes says:

    Gender is actually a social construct, not “created by God” – our societies and cultures created gender roles which limited women to certain jobs, responsibilitises, and social norms. From what a woman should wear, how she should act, and being “feminine” we’re defined by the culture of the time and the church. Jesus was a feminist! He went against the culture of the time in speaking to women, standing up for them when others questioned what he was doing, women funded His ministry all throughout the New Testament and He empowered women during His life by doing what He did best – challenging religious and societal norms by bringing freedom, and truth. Yes there are different feminist movements which are not biblical – but your interpretation of feminism is wrong. We do deserve EQUAL pay, we can get the CEO jobs, as well as being stay at home mums, or cooks, caregivers etc. Like anything – if taken to the extreme (as branches Fogg feminism have been) then yes it is not of God and is driven by hate or pride. But Feminism root – is believing that God made us of equal value, and men with their physical and social privileges have abused their power and that’s why feminism is needed. Look at rape culture, look at the oppression of women around the world, that is what feminism fights against.

  23. Little old LOL me says:

    Okay, western culture is into the 6th decade of continuously hearing about the F-word, Independence, and Careers. As feminism has accelerated, look at what has happened to the family unit, how children are raised…have things improved for children and men’fathers? To say yes, especially for children, would be the worse LIE ever. Meanwhile, options, control, power inside and outside the house has been granted to females. What this has created is men of all ages who refuse to get involved in relationships due to the potential losses that are so risky and great. So, if younger women are okay with no mate or kids, than we’ll have lots of single people living their own Independent lives. The main issue/thrust of feminism is > competing with men for the MONEY – Jobs. As this happens, few women will find what they think they deserve which is a man making more than her, while men in this position, are in an identity crisis. Jolly good show feminists. You will reap what you sew, and soon enough IF we think things are bad now, it isn’t going to be e pretty sight in years to come for the west. New immigrants will over throw the Caucasian race eventually; how will white women then fend for themselves out-numbered?

  24. Sarah says:

    I would describe myself as both a Christian and a moderate feminist. While I am against abortion and don’t agree with homosexuality/sexual immorality, I believe that to a certain degree gender equality is important. I wouldn’t consider myself stereotypically feminine. I am competitive, ambitious, and strong. I work hard in college and seek to be successful in a career. I recognize that men and women have different roles in Christ, but socially, economically, and educationally, women and men deserve equality. As a feminist, I choose to aid women across the world facing genital mutilation, slavery, and rape. The Bible is supportive of this.

  25. Hailee says:

    I struggled reading this because your definition of feminism is not the same as my definition of feminism.
    I am a Christian, and yeah, I’m a feminist. Unfortunately, that word has negative connotations associated with it these days. However, the true definition of feminism is “the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men”. So, the fundamental questions are:
    Do you believe women deserve the right to participate and partake in government?
    Do you believe women are of equal value to men in society?
    Do you believe women and men should be treated equally, economically?
    If you answered yes to all three, THAT is what makes you a feminism.
    I think we need to emphasize this. Obviously, yes there are groups which advocate for different womens rights than those I just described – such as abortion, lesbianism etc, etc – but the key distinction here is the word GROUPS. You cannot coin ALL feminists as advocating these rights, just like you can’t coin all German’s as Nazi’s.
    Biologically, we are not the same as men. That is not to say that we are not equal… but it is to say that we are different. Now if someone comes up to me and says “Well if women can bear children, and we’re all about equality now, science should come up with a way for men to bear children too” I would probably faint right there. It’s true, women do have innate tendencies towards compassion, and men have their tendencies too! We are different! Just as every women is different from the other, and the same for men! We are all different, but based off of our genders we are equal. There are extremists in every single corner of the world standing for every single “cause” there is and of course they tend to distort the reality of the fundamentalist.
    Now, I’m not trying to attack the author of this post in any way shape or form, but I think that it is a good example at how certain theories, or definitions become taken out of context because of the extreme cases. I just think we need to think for ourselves and instead of trying to attack that which scared us because it threatens our beliefs, I recommend we ask God for guidance and wisdom to justify why we believe what we believe.
    Women should not believe that the word “feminism” means that they don’t trust in God, nor should they believe that it means anything that is against men!
    Don’t allow these umbrella’d ideas to taint the true beliefs behind this term!

    • Shelby says:

      This is why I don’t call my self a feminist because it has so many different definitions. Its never a straight toward meaning. There’s so many different types of feminist? Like what is this. I’m for equality in value. Not in what sexes can do an can’t. Men and woman in america already have a lot of opportunities. Now most of feminist is for changing the social structures of things. Females have disadvantages just like men. If god wanted woman to be physically and mentally equal he would have but he didn’t.

      • Rebecca says:

        Women are not mentally equal to men? In my experience that is simply untrue.

        “Christianity” also has wildly different connotations and is often associated with conflicting ideals. Is that going to stop you from identifying yourself as a Christian?

  26. Sal says:

    It is sad to see other women with such a misconception about what feminism is and how “equality” aligns with God’s Word. I am a Christian, a woman, a wife, a lawyer, and a feminist–and from personal experience, I can say that this article greatly perverts what feminism means in my life and that of many others. First of all, this article greatly misdefines the meaning of its most basic principle: equality. Equality does not mean identical. It means of the same value in “status, rights, and opportunities.” How in the world does the correct definition of equality reject God, his design for marriage, or his design for humanity? When God created Eve, he called her Adam’s “ezer,” which means “helper,” but not in the way you have defined it in this article. The only other time in the Bible where the word “ezer” is used is to refer to God. It means so much more than the limited, 1950s (non-scripture-based) definition of “helper” you’ve been fooled yourself into thinking is the Christian female “gender-role.” “Ezer” invokes a sense of honor and value.

    If you ask me whether I gladly submit to my husband in our marriage, I would NOT–as a feminist wife–cringe at that statement. I would emphatically say YES. God designed men to be the leaders of marital relationships the same was Christ led the church: to sacrifice himself for her. Nowhere in Ephesians or anywhere else does the Bible say that women are to stay home, let their husbands be the sole or primary breadwinner, be their husbands’ servants, be valued less than their husbands, or anything of the like. Men are to take responsibility for their marriages, and women are to honor their husbands by supporting them (as their “ezer”). So…how is my equality feminist perspective anti-Christian? Because I shouldn’t be married to a man who loves the Lord and takes responsibility for us? Because I shouldn’t use my own gifts–whatever they are–to support my husband (whether it be earning our income, challenging him intellectually, or staying at home)? Because I shouldn’t value myself, out of humility, as God’s creation? My husband and I are equal. I am worth no less to God than he is. Equality feminism isn’t trying to reject God’s truth: it’s supporting His Word that women ARE to be valued, honored, and respected. How can you say that a mentality which sees women as valuable is inherently antithetical to God’s Word, which says the same thing?

    Yes, I believe women can be as professionally successful as men, that many men can be stay-at-home dads as well as many women can be stay-at-home moms, and that women in politics, social leadership roles, and high-power jobs can be positively influential in those roles. These things in no way speak against the truth of the Bible. Equating feminism with all of the cultural, even radical feminist, movements that do go against Christian truths is a common mistake–but one which is not the result of Christian equality feminists making those connections. People who blame women for supporting women are the culprits. There certainly are feminists who support abortion, free sexuality, etc. There are also “Christians” who support hate speech, racism, violence, etc. Yet you are not writing this article to discuss how Christianity is antithetical to God’s Word, are you? Women are so often blamed for society’s sins, and told that to value themselves and their God-given purpose is to reject God. How incredibly sad is this lie. If more Christians (female and male) did identify themselves as equality feminists, maybe these misogynistic perceptions and anti-Christian connotations would be replaced by truth.

  27. Bisonhawk1 says:

    Feminism was largely influenced by the Soviet KGB during the 1960s. It was an ideological subversion of American values to #1 desroy the modern household. #2 demoralize western men. #3 tear apart the moral and religious values of the West. Former KGB defectors came forward and warned American that if we continued on this path that we would soon not be able to recognize our country. The Soveit Union may be gone but the ideological manipulation has taken root and has run amok through our society. The birth rate in the United States has slowed significantly with modern technologies such as birth control and women putting careers before starting a family. Men are constantly having to raise the bar to find a suitable companion as women chase wealth and refuse to take care of their bodies. Movements such as MGTOW and Return of Kings have sprung up in the wake because men see marriage as a 50 50 chance of loosing everything due to divorce rape. Congratulations Soviet Russia you have succesfully demoralized the western man. Joseph Stalin once said: the only way we can defeat America is if we can destroy the family unit, tear apart their moral fabric, and get them to deny their religious roots.

    • First Amendment says:

      Feminism started as a women’s movement and was largely influenced by the passage of the 19th Amendment. Also, your Stalin quote is bogus.

      Working women do not destroy families.

      “Divorce rape” assumes that men have more wealth than women, and as more women are breadwinners than men, it’s completely inaccurate.

      I suggest you wake up. In 2016, women choose where they want to work. If you think that women in the workforce hurts your masculinity, I have three words: No one cares. When you start to see women as more than baby makers, maybe you’ll realize how archaic you sound.

  28. Beth Younger says:

    Glad to see some pushback to this really silly and ill-defined argument against feminism. Of course Christian women can be feminists–the real question is can feminists be Christian women? Apparently it’s very difficult because of how some Christians incorrectly define feminism. All you’re doing, GirlDefined, is reinforcing misogyny and the idea that women are lesser beings than men. Good job!

    • First Amendment says:

      It’s so refreshing to see so many people that agree with you and me. Thanks for sharing your opinion!

      • Shelby says:

        What’s more important. God or Feminism. God never agreed with how woman in the past and in other countrues are treated. We are equally valuable but you can not say physically, and mentally the same. We can’t do everything a man does like a man can’t do everything a woman does. Christian woman can’t be feminist because now its third wave feminist that just doesn’t make sense with what god agrees. In america at least men have inequality in some areas just like woman do. You can’t change that unless we all become the same gender. One thing I know is if your wiling to take something you really believe in and try to force it with you while you have god in the center of your life. It just doesn’t work out. Can’t twist the bible to fit your needs

  29. Olivia Chambers says:

    Thank you for writing this article! It gets really confusing when people start to defend feminism with the message of “women are just as valuable as men” because they asume that non-femenists don’t believe that. Also, people will say that, if you agree with that statement, then you must be a femenist when that I the only part that I agree with. All of the other aspects of femenism are hurtful to women because they don’t know how to be. They get confused because there are so many people by telling them how to be a girl that doesn’t line up with our original design. It is a confusing world and I am thankful that you are there to point us to God for clarification.

    • First Amendment says:

      The screwed-up definition of feminism manifests itself in people who support equality between men and women, but denounce feminism. Feminism is the belief in equality between men and women. This is the root. While feminism branches out from this core belief, and feminists can support a variety of other movements, people who believe that women and men are equally valuable are feminists.

      If you think women deserve equal pay for equal work, you’re a feminist. If you think women should have the right to vote, you’re a feminist.

      You and the authors of this blog believe in equality between men and women, and you attribute equal value to both. This is feminism. If you argue that you’re not a feminist, you have a tainted view of the movement.

      To believe in equality but not call oneself a feminist would be to avoid eating meat but not call oneself a vegetarian. Suppose I avoided meat, and my diet consisted of salads and fruits. I would be a vegetarian. If I don’t call myself a vegetarian (suppose I think all vegetarians are weird hippies), it doesn’t change the fact that I still am.

      • Guest says:

        So does that mean that if I believe that men should vote, that I am a menenist?

        • First Amendment says:

          “Meninism” is not an actual movement. Feminism has a deep historical and cultural significance; meninism was the creation of teenagers on Twitter. The right to vote was never denied to white, land-owning men, but it was denied to women for hundreds of years. I used the example of suffrage to demonstrate a more recent event in history that shows equality between genders.

          Feminism actually applies to both genders– for true equality, everyone’s got to be on the same page. Make sense?

    • GirlDefined says:

      So grateful you found this helpful, Olivia! For some great Biblically based reads on this topic, I highly encourage you to grab a copy of Mary Kassian’s book, “The Feminist Mistake” ( as well as “Radical Womanhood: Feminine Faith in a Feminist World” by Carolyn McCulley ( They are very insightful and eye opening. God’s design for women is the best out and by embracing it we will find true, and lasting, liberation.

  30. Lily says:

    I think this blog post was written from a good place but it might sound a little defensive especially since you discuss how you’ve received numerous emails against previous posts on this blog. I feel like I’m on the fence because if there’s one thing I have to commend feminism for is the fact that I as a young woman am able to be educated in a university and move onto having a career that I plan on loving & dedicating hard work to one day; being purposeful in God’s Kingdom through the workplace. I’m quite glad that women now are being recognized that they aren’t less intelligent or rational than men because interestingly enough we just think differently and both genders should be applauded for using their God-given abilities to further God’s Kingdom and primarily I think the shift has gone from homemaking for women to being able to participate in more activities/ life adventures before marriage, children and the whole bit- women currently can discover who they are and live rather than sitting at home waiting to be married!

  31. First Amendment says:

    “Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties.
    Its battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions…for safety on the streets…for child care, for social welfare…for rape crisis centers, women’s refuges, reforms in the law.
    If someone says, “Oh, I’m not a feminist,” I ask, “Why, what’s your problem?””

    “I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.”

  32. First Amendment says:

    PSA: International Women’s Day is March 8!

  33. As I read these comments, I just couldn’t help but comment myself. I agree completely with you, Kristen. Feminism and Christianity can’t mix. I commend you for being brave enough to post on something that is so controversial as feminism. I am reading these other comments and I just shake my head. I am sorry for all of the hateful things that they are saying about you and this post. It just makes me sick how satan can pervert a beautiful brain that each of these ladies posses. Thanks so much for standing strong in your beliefs!


  34. Amy says:

    In what ways has the ideology of feminism seeped into your worldview? Do you need to repent of having a heart of pride before God?
    – It has seeped into my world view for sure. I hold many feminist ideologies, maybe not all, but then again, there is no official “feminist” ideology, only what people latch on to to help their cause. But I mean, yeah, I believe in feminism at its core. I don’t think I need to repent for believing in it, I have not been led by God to believe otherwise.

    Do you look to feminism to answer your questions about womanhood? If so, have their answers satisfied you?
    – Yes, and yes.

    What mindset changes do you need to make so God’s Word becomes the authority in your life?
    – Well, this seems like a biased question, what if I don’t think I need a mindset change in this area? God is authority in my life, and yet I still believe in feminism, He hasn’t led me to be believe otherwise, quite the opposite actually.

    Will you take a step of obedience by trusting your Creator’s design for your womanhood?
    – Of course, will you?

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  36. laila says:

    The bible constantly degrades women… I absolutely agree women cannot be a feminist and a christian. My boyfriends family comes from a pentecostal background and you will never be able to convince me that a woman who is not allowed to wear pants and is not allowed to cut her hair could even slightly be a feminist. i have no idea why women would submit like that to their husbands. the men in those households should be ashamed of themselves for not letting their wives live their life to their true potential and educate themselves past high school and get decent paying jobs.

    • J says:

      Woah, can’t wear pants or cut their hair or continue their education past highschool? That’s bizarre especially since I go to a Pentecostal Church and women are allowed to do all those things (and are especially encourage to further their education) we even have head female pastors. How odd, what type of church does ur boyfriend’s family attend, or what branch of Christianity? If you happen to know.

    • This is what saddens me. You have allowed events that were carried out by man or PEOPLE of a church to determine your personal view and feelings towards God. God didn’t do those things to you or your boyfriends sister. Yet, you start this comment off with the very harsh (and completely wrong) statement that the bible downgrades women! With all respect I can’t help but to tell you that your statement is not only epically false but also disrespectful. You can’t make a judgemental statement like such and then begin to tell of you reason that has nothing at all to do with it. Furthermore, you give no proof. Where is your proof that my God and His word degrades women? My God loved and still loves, accepted and still accepts, fed and still feeds, clothed and still clothes, walked and still walks, talked and still talks, healed and still heals, and most of all forgave and washed the sins of many women and He still does. Even those women that were prostitutes and adulterous women that many PEOPLE would choose to beat or degrade bc they didn’t accept them as proper people of society. For instance the beautiful story of the woman at the well. Which was a woman who had 5 husbands and wasn’t living with her husband of the time, and was also a Samaritan woman who the Jews resented as dirty people. Jesus didn’t care he conversated with her and even offered to give her a drink that would allow her to thirst no more!!! He forgave and saved that woman. When many people wouldn’t even look her way. So please don’t lie and degrade my God and His word with your lack of knowledge and misunderstanding.

  37. Lynne says:

    What do you think of Feminists For Life?

  38. Camille says:

    Girlfriend you’re totally wrong in so many ways… here’s a suggestion : read Simone de beauvoir, one of the women where feminism started with, then ponder about what it is and if it is really against the bible. I’m a Christian and also a feminist. And before you judge me saying I’m wrong, please go learn about history so we could, then, have a healthy discussion where both parties know what they’re talking about. And to show you that I mean it, here’s my email. Send me an email once you get your facts straight: [email protected]

    • Dom Saunders says:

      Says the woman who is a Christian and a feminist? Makes about as much sense as my being a black Christian (hint hint, I’m not). Point is, just because there were a few powerful women in the Bible doesn’t mean that a good chunk of it isn’t used to slam them outright and punish them, nor does it take away from the fact that to this day, fundagelical Christians still harp and thump their Bibles to justify why they believe women are second class. Get your own damn facts straight, sis.

  39. I love this post. The proper and well explained manner and everything that it implies. I’m glad to have came across it and your blog. Alot of women are commenting disagreeing with the statement simplu because not all feminist agree with abortion, homosexuality, lust, and etc. Understandable. I see your point but personally, I rathernot associate of anything other than God. Which means Godly things like the title of being a Christian. The whole concept and stereotype is something that glorifies a number of things that are ungodly. If my spirit is cringed by hearing the word I don’t see it as something I need to walking in the path of, and this is whether or not it be due to my lack of knowledge and superficial view or not. My focus is on Jesus, therefore I walk and abide in fellowship with my church and doing things that glorify him. Not with events that conform me to the world and self rights /self righteous activists. Until my God lays it upon my heart to do so, I won’t be a feminist.

    • Jenessa Ho says:

      Do you think that God would want you to be an activist? Do you think that God would want you to stand for the people who are oppressed? Isn’t that what Jesus did?

      • Jesus was in fact stand for those oppressed. I feel God would want me to identify with the image he has created me which is implied in him and later we are told to live like Christ and be a follower of him. (Gen. 1:26)(1Cor. 11:1)
        However, we are also told to come out from amoung them and not be conformed of this world. If something goes against what God sees as unholy or wrong then I shouldn’t walk in the path of it. Scripture tells me that head of every man is Christ, and the head of woman is the man, the head of Christ is God. (1Cor.11:3) It also says the man isn’t of woman but the woman of the man and the woman was created for the man. (1Cor.11:8-12) I feel many to all feminist would object to that.
        It’s also said that taking innocent blood, homosexuality being wrong, and having or causing strife with one another is an abomination to the Lord. Feminist today stand for most to all of those things. Therefore I can’t stand with them. Am I viewed as equal to man in my God’s eyes, well ofcourse! Any Godly man treats and shows me as respectful and loving as Jesus Christ would the Church. Which he loved and gave His life for. (Eph. 5:25)
        But there is a distinguished role and standing as well.

        I oppose any harm or disrespect to a woman just as much as feminist. Yet, that’s about all we can agree on and be activists with. I’m studying for my Psychology/Christian Counseling as we speak and intend on working with domestic violence victims. I’m taking action where I feel God would want me to but I’m no feminist.

        • Jenessa Ho says:

          I wrote a big discussion post that you should read, because I don’t really want to repeat it again. But while you are in school, you should take advantage of it and properly educate yourself on feminisms or find feminist theologians and read what they have to say. They have studied Christianity and feminism and have done great work to show how Christianity and feminism can in fact work together. As I read this post and comments alike, I can see that many people are misguided on what feminism is. That’s okay, because in our patriarchal society, we barely have access to proper education on feminism. That doesn’t mean we should try to educate outselves.

          • I’m not opposed to learning or hearing the views or opinions of others. I’m actually a very understanding person and willing to sympathise with someone else’s feelings. I’m sure I do have much to learn about feminism and just like most people my view relates back to mainly the overall stigma society has allowed it to possess. Give or take a few studies and articles I’ve read.

            I’m no saint and I don’t have all the answers. I admit I’ve never had a desire to be an activist on this matter and even been guilty of being angered by a situation concerning the respect of women yet allowed myself in situations where I was treated in similar disrespectful fashion. I’m not saying your wrong for being a feminist but I do in fact think that the misunderstanding and lack of knowledge has allowed a door to open. In which feminist means wearing a title that is based on anger and frustration and even pride.

            I’d be more than okay with reading your piece. Would you like my email to send a link or just post it here?

          • I’m not going to deny the fact I could actually become more educated on the matter. I’ve done some but not much research on the subject in reviewing it and coming to my conclusion ir view of it. My view mainly comes from the select few sources I’ve used for a better understanding of it and then ofcourse the overall stigma that is designated by society. I’d love to read your post. You can post the link or send me an email at [email protected]

  40. folasade says:

    heres the thing to play a ‘heavenly advocate’ we know God affirmed equality in value by saying He created them male and female. But even in God’s economy He places value on humans being ‘higher’ then the animals in the scripture about the Sparrow. So its not about who’s more important bc we know without woman there would be no society at all. However, God is the only one who can create value and worth and asserting that you are ‘more important’ than God says you are is the height of arrogance. We are supposed to ‘get in line’ so to speak. so there’s no way feminism equates with Biblical Christianity, unless you are ‘speaking up for those who cannot speak for themselves’ women should not be oppressed the bible doesn’t support this, but even if we aren’t ‘equal’ with men, which isnt even the question we should ask, we still are required to obey God.

    • Rachel says:

      why should we not ask that question? For a long time, feminists (male and female) have been speaking for “those who can’t speak for themselves” precisely by speaking for women. Also, Christ himself treated women as more important than the society around him did.

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  42. Retha Faurie says:

    “In most feminists’ eyes, equality means women must have the same jobs as men. Same life plans as men. Same roles in marriage as men. Same roles in parenting as men.”

    Actually, feminists want to get rid of the “women must”s, rather than creating a new list of “women must”s.

    Religious hierarchists: “Women must have different jobs from men.”
    Egals: “Women should be able to work at whatever jobs they are gifted for and society needs, whether those are traditionally performed by men or by women.
    Religious hierarchists: “Women must have different roles in marriage from men.
    Egals: “A couple should divide tasks in marriage by their strengths and weaknesses, regardless of what tasks other couples give to the man and which to the woman.
    Religious hierarchists: “Women must have different roles in parenting from men.
    Egals: “A couple should divide tasks in parenting by their strengths and weaknesses, regardless of what tasks other couples give to the man and which to the woman. (One or two particular parenting tasks, like giving birth and breastfeeding, is never a male strength.)

    It is totally not true that feminists believe women MUST do X or Y – that is the way of thinking of the hierarchist, not the feminist.
    For that reason and many others, learn what feminists actually believe before you try to write against them.

  43. Jax Hill says:

    I feel like your generalizations are your downfall here “Most feminists” this and “Most feminists” that … Without any documentation, and certainly without differentiation between Christian egalitarians and secular feminists. If you want to demonstrate why feminism and Christianity don’t miss, you owe it to yourself to gain a clear understanding of what Christian feminists (aka egalitarians) believe.

    Egalitarians (men and women!) take the Scriptures very seriously and attempt to “submit to one another in love” in marriage, as we are told to do; we take the time to investigate the Scriptures in their original languages rather than relying on translations that all too often are biased toward a patriarchal reading; we understand that men ruling over women was a result of the Fall of Man and the Curse which Jesus reversed by His fulfilling the law, death and resurrection; we refuse to perpetuate a system that gives lip service to equality but holds women back from their full potential in Christ; we reject what complementarians call “biblical gender roles” because they have no basis whatever in Scripture; we encourage all men and women to operate from their God-given strengths and not strait-jacket themselves into any particular “role.” How can this be incompatible with Christianity?

    Please take the time to dialog with egalitarians before you say that our views are incompatible with Scripture. If you look at the global oppression of women taking place even today in the name of “gender roles,” I think you may find it is your own views that break God’s heart, not ours.

  44. Rusty Barnett says:

    Nonsense use of straw man arguments here. Equality does NOT mean “sameness”…it means equal opportunities. You get to choose. The fact that you can drive, work, vote, etc. are things you can thank feminists for. I am proud to call myself a feminist AND a Christian.

    • Rachel says:

      And the slippery slope… if you believe a woman’s place isn’t in submission to men, you clearly will kill lots of babies.
      But even not too far down the “slope” angers me- this idea that to reject her definition of gender roles means to reject God’s authority. I submit to God’s will for my life, which means that no, I’m not some guy’s trophy wife.

    • No the fact I can do any of those things is because of God. Point blank period. & that is the issue and my reasoning for where I stand with this issue.

      • Rusty Barnett says:

        You seem to lack an understanding of the meaning of the term “reasoning”. Falling back on “well, God did it, period” is not reasoning…it is the fall back position for one who has nothing logical to add to the discussion and can’t be, well, “reasoned” with. Cheers!

        • No sir you obviously just have a completely different definition for well, “reason.” My understanding and explanation and “reason” for doing anything in my life is because God allows it. I am here only because of God. It’s as simple as that. Now if you would like me to use a carnal way of thinking then sure some women stood up and made the choice to fight for certain freedoms we are allowed to as women of our country. However I’m not meant to think with a carnal mind.


          • Rusty Barnett says:

            “reason” is why you choose to do something. “Reasoning” implies the use of logical thinking. You don’t have a “carnal mind”, you have a “mind”…use it wisely. Your theology seems to skirt dangerously close to gnosticism here, and that was long ago rejected by the church as heresy.

          • How is my way of thinking not “logical thinking” ?? That’s simply your opinion. I see it as God being my reason, my way of life, the reason I have life, and so forth. God uses people as vessels to fulfil His will that will be done. Those women you are referring to were in fact used by God to fulfil His plan.

          • You haven’t heard my theology to even begin make the assumption or accusation of such. Your out of line with that comment. Not only is it false but you should take your own words of treading lightly into consideration.

          • I’m going to end this conversation. It’s no longer one I see as respectful.
            Prayers & Blessings.

    • Scot says:

      Everyone who calls them self a christian should read the Bible and prove themselves worthy like it says. It would be hard to believe someone does that and says they are a feminist. The Apostle Paul, the one given the revelation of the Gospel to the Gentile or to us, wrote in the last of his ministry and in the very later days of the biblical timeline the books of Timothy somewhere around 60 to 70AD. In his writing It clearly says women are to submit under mans authority and that men are absolutely to love, protect, honor and provide for their wives. This truth is also in many of the other teachings of Paul from around this time. Feminism is a rebelious spirit that is destroying the family. How many women now are refusing to marry and find themselves thrust into more sin now in pre marital sexual relationships because they don’t want to submit to a man in marriage. Sin brings more sin. it has caused men to not know their true role not knowing whether and how they should approach a women. Should i open the door for her should i not? What roles are mine and which are hers. Gods ways do not produce more sin or confusion! This movement is of Satan and is a lie. I mean it’s ridiculous!

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Ever think if the man actually upheld their part of the instruction women wouldn’t decide against signing their life over to become someone’s doormat?? Which by the way for the man it does not say protect or provide. It says love SELF SACRIFICIALLY. In order to love self sacrificially, one would never be able to lord it over someone else. Instead they would elevate that person to equal level. In a disagreement, instead of wanting his own way, a husband who is loving self sacrificially would give up HIS way, sacrifice his own desire in the matter to give his wife hers. That means every time there is an argument or disagreement, the husband has to choose to lay down his desire, and his wants to give his wife hers. So who is really in ‘charge’? Nobody! They both are! Using different vocabulary they are called to do the SAME THING!
        Submission = Self-Sacrifice, and Self-Sacrifice = Submission They are the same exact thing! The wording used is only to massage the male ego desire for dominance. He ‘thinks’ he is in control but in reality he gives her control, while feeling it was HIS choice to do so.
        By the way neither spouse can lord it over the other or boss each other around. I don’t think that’s what this is about at all. It’s so apparent it’s an illusion this idea of subjection or control. By the way the words obey and lead are never used. Just submission / subjection and self sacrifice. When you see they really are the SAME thing, then the end result is both spouses will try to make the OTHER happy by putting the other above themselves. If men view it as a power grab and a way to exercise authority they have missed the point (and will miss out on something amazing).

  45. Jenessa Ho says:

    I completely disagree. I am a Christian and I am a Feminists. I don’t know any of my Christian friends who aren’t feminists as well. As God’s children, we are called to love one another as Christ loves us. We aren’t called to impose rules on one another, especially if they do not know Jesus. We can’t expect non believers to do what believers do. They have no reason to. We can’t fully love non believers by taking away their basic rights. Let me repeat this- we cannot fully love others if we hold christian standards over nonbelievers’ heads.
    Feminism does not fight for sameness. AT ALL. Equality is different from sameness. And not all feminists are the same in what they are fighting for. Supporting and standing behind feminists is what I feel that God would want us, as christians, to do. Women are so strongly oppressed in all countries, some more than others. Feminists fight against that. Jesus stood for the oppressed. Why shouldn’t we? And also we shouldn’t be feminists for OUR OWN worth. We should be feminists so that others, who do not have Jesus in their lives, can feel worthy. And as christians, we aren’t supposed to search for “lasting happiness” because that’s not our purpose in life. Finding happiness is not our purpose in life. That’s all selfish thinking.
    Feminism fights against the patriarchic society that we live in. This society is SOOO unhealthy and needs feminism. If you have a better solution to change our society so that all genders feel valued in ALL media, so girls don’t feel blamed for being raped, so girls feel as if their education matters too, so that girls don’t go on diets at age 8, etc etc etc. If you have a better solution to fight back against society to make this place a healthy place for ALL genders, then please do so. But if not, I honestly hope that you will pray and search for answers from God. For His Kingdom, I pray that you will learn to understand the importance of feminism. I pray that you will have a heart for ALL people, non-believers and all. And I pray that you will seek to actively LOVE as Christ loves us.
    There are great feminists theologians with a very very helpful perspectives on Christianity and Feminisms. I would love to show you some of their work.

  46. Jenessa Ho says:

    I strongly encourage you to learn more and read up on what feminism really is.

  47. Peter C, says:

    The reflections of this article are very accurate. If I may add, feminism is representative of being the contemporary Western world’s primary example of what C.S.Lewis referred to, in his book ‘Mere Christianity’, as the greatest possible spiritual sin. Pride. The truth of this – as our education systems, the printed press, the mainstream broadcasting media, the entertainment industry, law, modern politics etc. are put into context with objective and unalterable message of Scripture – needs no explanation to intelligent Christian people who truly accept the Word of God.
    If I may add still further. There is an old saying, which is supposedly a summary of the 26 verses of Isaiah chapter 3. “When the power of Satan is at it’s height, your leaders shall have the minds of children and women shall control them”. That is not a message condemning women. It rightly condemns egalitarianism. Which has got nothing to do with true equality.
    Peter. – UK.

    • Kenyon says:

      Fascinating how men wrote the Bible and just coincidentally wrote themselves into the role of the leaders and decision-makers, huh? Luckily Christianity is dying. Have fun while it lasts.

  48. Gwyn says:

    A lot of these objections to feminism are based on interpretations of God’s will. Isn’t that a form of pride in itself? To assume that you fully understand what God’s intentions were when he created two genders?
    We must recognize that the bible was written by people, and that those people were influenced not only by God but by a myriad of oppressive social norms.

    Furthermore, it is an over-simplification to assume all women are one thing and men are another. While many women are nurturing and suited to home making, there are plenty who are not. Feminists believe, as you do, in fulfilling the roles one is most suited to. We just look at it on an individual basis, not divided by genders.

    • Reason says:

      oh ye rebellious one…………

    • B.B. says:

      I tend to agree with you, although I see the author’s point and she may be right. To me it seems the sin lies in pride, not in the possible misinterpretation of gender roles. I do not consider myself a feminist, and the movement’s trademark pride is the main reason why. I also feel feminism puts a lot of pressure on women to seize worldly things such as power, money, and sexual immorality, which I do not believe is right or healthy.

    • Joyful says:

      I love that the Bible is full of a vast varieity of personalities both male and female with the continuum of softness to ruggedness yet all within their gender design and roles. We are told to mutually submit one to another before submission in marriage. It takes more strength and courage to submit to each other than to follow our flesh. Submission is protection not restriction! God puts His Word above His name and He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Some things are black and white in the Bible and it is idolatry to put any of our beliefs above it. Let God be true and every man a liar. I chose to err on the side of eternity even if it means leaving a pet belief at the altar. A transformed mind is not just stamped Christaian, it is changed to the mind of Christ where there is peace and no shadow of turning or tossing of waves! Former Public School Socialized Feminist

    • Scot says:

      They were not influenced by anything but God here is the scripture to back it
      2 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)

      16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

      this says all scripture is given by God. All means all! So it being God breathed we could assume that means it is Gods word. if it is gods word it cannot be corrupted by man because God has power over man. Man can preach it wrong and understand it wrong because we are a fallen man. But the word is uncoruptable by man absolute and holy because it is from God!

      • Scot says:

        Many people get the understanding of scripture wrong because they try to understnad things that are spirit it with their intellect which is flesh heres a scripture to back it up
        1st corinthians 2 :14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

  49. Lisa Ehrman says:

    Very good post. The older I get, the stronger I feel on this subject. Being a Christian and a student of the Bible means I won’t be a feminist.

  50. Michael says:

    A feminist “Pastor’s” wife got ahold of my loving and submissive wife and brainwashed her while she was struggling with menipaus and bi-polar disorder. After 32 happy years of marriage and 12 children, this pastor’s wife helped my wife leave me while I was out buying groceries for the family. I’m very distraught. Feminism robbed me of my precious wife and little ones. Feminism has ruined my life.

    • Dion says:

      Wow. Sad to hear that, but I can relate with a similar story. It wasn’t a pastor’s wife per se, but a culmination of happy, friendly, smiling, faces who belong to a “corporate support group” under the “Christian” banner.

    • Elysium says:

      But really? I doubt anyone would leave their husband if there weren’t underlying problems. Furthermore the fact that someone is a Feminist does not give them the power to brainwash. Sorry but you should probably look at your actions before blaming others…

      • Joyful says:

        Grace, mercy and remove your log first dear sister. I know a woman going through the same thing. Married 17 years and when a bump that any marriage can face hit, her ear was turned by feminist church member counsel. Now 3 kids and a bewildered husband are dumbfounded and heart broken. Whenever we seek counsel that tells us what we want to hear rather than the truth we put ourselves in danger. I am sad that you chose to attack this mans heartfelt confession when you have no clue as to the whole story. If you have not love your a clanging cymbal and hurting more than helping. Treat people the way you want to be treated. I am truly sorry if your marriage is not going well and pray tansformation and healing for you.

    • Dom Saunders says:

      You called your wife “submissive” and you’re mad that she left you? Are you really surprised?

    • mary says:

      I doubt this had anything to do with feminism. I know otherwise wonderful
      people with bi-polar who act impulsively. It is difficult to parent even 2 or 3 children well when you are emotionally ill.

  51. Ron Jones says:

    {1 Timothy 5:8} “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
    {Ephesians 5:22-27} “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

    {23} For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

    {24} Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

    {25} Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;”

    {Titus 2:3-5} “The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

    {4} That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

    {5} To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.”

    {1 Timothy 2:8-10} “I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

    {9} In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

    {10} But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.”

    {1 Corinthians 11:7-9} “For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

    {8} For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

    {9} Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.”

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  54. Alexis says:

    Very awesome, well written article!

  55. Hope Webster says:

    I myself have grown up in a small Christian private school kindergarten through 8th grade. My class was very tiny; I had 8 eighth graders with me when I graduated. While I was there, I encountered some of the biggest feminists I know, my best friend at the time included. Her and I would always go into passionate discussions with my teacher whenever the word “submit” or anything that relates to that particular word came up. My teacher, while teaching what the Bible says, had the highest respect for women. He even started to refer to us as “Ms” instead of “Miss” because it was the more feminist thing to do. He never, ever told my best friend and I to abandon our feminist ways; he only tried to explain what the Bible says more.

    Even though I submit to God, I cannot abandon my feminist title. I have struggled with this my entire life. My church and school have always tried to tell me one thing, but I just can’t stop being who I am. I would rather never marry than submit to a life-long partner. I have every respect for women who do choose to stick to the roles set in the Bible, EVERY respect. But I just can’t do it. And I know, (trust me, I’ve been taught this my entire life), if you deny one part of the Bible, you deny it all. I’m not denying the gender roles, I’m just saying that if a woman or a man chooses to reverse those roles, they should be able to do so. I believe in stay-at-home dads, and I believe in moms who provide for their households. I always have. I should know, because my parents have the exact same job. Literally. They share the same office and do the exact same thing. They BOTH contribute to household responsibilities as well. They are equal 100% of the time. They are “the same” 100% of the time.

    So to conclude, I believe in feminism, and I am a Christian. I struggle with my church every week because of that fact. I was baptized there as a baby, and I’m even a Sunday school teacher, which makes the consideration to leave it 10× more difficult. I only hope that there is some on out there who can relate to me at all; I could really use a good discussion with someone who might be going through the same thing I am.


    • David Withington says:

      Hi Hope,

      I don’t believe there is anything wrong with choosing not to marry, if you feel that you cannot uphold to the role of a wife as taught by the bible then it is best not to become one. I fully respect that. Yet we know that the bible says that no man lives to himself or dies to himself, we all have an effect on each other by our words and actions. As you know, being a Sunday school teacher.

      I noticed you said that although you wouldn’t do it, but if someone wants to swap gender roles then they should be able to. An interesting thing to teach, please consider what this verse says you ought to be teaching instead:

      Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

      The verse says that the lesson you ought to be actively teaching is not ‘swap gender roles if you want’, but to stick to them. It may not be your responsiblity to submit to a husband seeing as you don’t have one, but it is your responsibility to be actively teaching these gender roles to others.

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        I would surmise if Christians were actually required to follow these rules, in this day and age far far less women would want to be married at all and instead live for themselves. It would be a much better life to remain free. What happens then if no women wish to enslave themselves to a man to become his live in maid and servant?

        • David Withington says:

          You’re right. The Bible even prophecied that this would happen in 2 Timothy 4:3 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;” Today’s society cannot endure sound doctine concerning (among other things) marriage. Yet Paul’s instruction to Timothy was not to change his message to match the times, but to continue to preach the truth.

          It’s not right either to equate a biblical marriage with slavery and servitude. The mere fact that there is authority involved does not mean that there is slavery involved. In today’s society we all have different authorities in our lives yet we are not slaves to any of them. In fact, I really enjoy working under my boss- he’s a good boss yet I am not his slave.

          If no woman wishes to marry and uphold a biblical framework of marriage, then it’s best not to marry. Yet I am fully persuaded that we can do all things through Jesus Christ who strengthens us. Not only does the bible command us to do hard things, but God also gives us the ability to perform them.

        • Amanda says:

          Ephesians 5:20-22
          Wives and Husbands
          …20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.… ”

          Berean Study Bible

          Note that Ephesians 5:21 says

          21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

          Meaning, husband and wife are to submit to ONE ANOTHER.

  56. Wanda McDonald says:

    Wow, Christian women how does it feel to know you you were born into subjugation? How exactly does God choose which souls will be born into punishment (subjugation) as females – made only to ‘serve’ a man – another human, to never have independent thought or freedom or control over your life, to be ordered around (even if the man does so ‘nicely’). And how does God choose which souls will be born into privilege as males, to have a servant underneath you, to have the freedom to make all the decisions, to be able to have independent thought and control over your own life? Christianity makes being female a punishment, and makes girls loathe their gender and regret being born into this servitude to men. If women were really meant to be born without ability to make their own decisions and lead their own life and family in a God given direction, then females would be born without a brain or free will. Seriously it would be much easier to just make females like stepford wives… no free will, no actual ‘consciousness’ there. Just a robot designed to serve men and obey them. ANY relationship where one person has 100% control over the other, is wrong. It puts one person in an entirely vulnerable position having to rely on the other 100% to always have their interests in mind. Problem is, men are human. Humans are not perfect, and don’t always have the interests of others in mind. That automatically subjects the woman to existing only to serve mens desires, and hers go unfulfilled… unless he wants to fulfill them. Giving him last say in decisions, means she really has NO say at all. Because unless he agrees with her, then her choice doesn’t matter. And if he does agree, then its his choice anyway right? So she has NO control, NO authority, NO voice, NO decision making. She may as well have been born without a brain or free will! No person would ever willingly subject themselves to literal slavery under another human…. just because they were born with certain parts between their legs.
    Feminism is not about destroying men. Feminism is not about destroying families (I know plenty of families where the man stays home with the kids and she works and they are happy and their marriage is great!) Feminism is not about rejecting God… its only about rejecting the words of some male humans that wrote words ‘inspired’ by God (but wrote through their cultural coloured lenses).

    • David Withington says:

      I wonder, do you believe that everyone who has a government in their country, a boss at work, or a captain on the sports-team is being enslaved, punished and degraded?

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Nope, because any citizen can become involved in politics and run for office, any employee can be advanced within the company to supervisor or manager level (based on their ability, not their genitals), and the best player gets captain on a tem, again based on ability and not genitals. To put someone in the lowest rank for all time and tell them they can never advance or be ‘promoted’ simply because they have a vagina instead of a penis is wrong. To take away the rights of one partner in a team of only two, and make them have to obey the other, while the other gets to always exercise their own will, simply based on whats between their legs, is wrong. Its effectively smothering out the rights of one, to allow the other 100% control and power. Any relationship (which by the way is not a company, or a sports team, or a government) but a relationship of only two people which is supposed to be based on love, should not have a hierarchy where one partner has 100% of the power and the other is 100% at the mercy of the other. Even the most well meaning husband will abuse that power to decide in his own favour sometimes. (decisions like new toy for the garage vs something needed for the house, or his and her show both on at the same time, and only one TV) I watched my Father do this to my Mother all my life. Try to boss her around all the time. Sure she could have just ‘obeyed’ but then everything and I mean everything would have been for my Dad. it was HIS tv, and they could not afford a second when I was young. It was HIS car, so if she wanted it when he did, guess who got it? Giving one person 100% power and control over everything and telling the other they must 100% always obey opens up for 100% abuse. Have you ever heard of the saying, Absolute power, corrupts absolutely?

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Also in the situations you mentioned, the power of authority is not all encompassing. Meaning an employee is only required to obey in the parameters of the employment. Meaning a boss cant order someone to do something outside the workplace. Same with a sports team, even the Government can’t be in the bedrooms of the citizens. The government does not have the right to tell you what to eat for example and you are not required to ‘obey’ if a politician tried to demand you eat a certain thing. However, in the case of what patriarchal christianity teaches, it’s 100% subjection of wife to husband. Husband = 100% and authority over his wife and she is required to 100% obey unless its against God (sin). Ordering someone to eat a certain thing, or wear certain clothes, or do certain things outside of religious things would not be considered sin. Therefore, the subjection is all encompassing, and affects EVERY aspect of the wife’s life. So yes, that is slavery.

        • David Withington says:

          Im sorry you view biblical marriage as slavery.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Only for the woman. Think about it. If you were in the position of a woman instead of the privileged position as a man, and had to just ‘obey’ all the time instead of being able to exercise your own will how would that feel? Sure most of the time, spouses agree on nearly everything (because why would you marry someone who you didn’t have most things in common with anyway?) But, those few times when husband and wife disagree, if you were in the position of the woman, no matter how much you hated the idea, thought it was wrong way to go etc you would be expected to just obey your husband. The decision would always be in his hands meaning he always gets to exercise HIS will over you. And this is for life remember! No chance to advance or get a promotion, no chance to be voted next time to be captain! It’s for life! (Or until death do you part). That’s a HUGE HUGE commitment that a wife is signing on to. The man, heck he is getting a grreat thing! A free maid, a free subordinate to support HIS work and HIS ideas. She is signing on to lose herself and become someone’s ‘assistant’ someone’s ‘second’. Seriously how would you feel to ALWAYS be second banana for your WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE with no chance to better that situation?? Knowing your husband sees you as inferior and subordinate?? It’s hurtful and degrading to women!

          • David Withington says:

            If it’s a decision you don’t want to make, then don’t make it.

            But it’s not the opportunity to become a captain that makes being under authority bearable. I’ve been on both sides, having a boss who was utterly unreasonable and cruel, yet through the power of Christ I was able to humbly submit myself under her authority. The ability I had to take her role did not make it bearable, the knowledge that God is watching made it bearable.

            Currently, I have a boss who I would be happy to remain so for the rest of my career. The abiltity to take his role does not factor in my content at the current situation, his character as a leader is what makes me happy to work under him. Now I have ideas and suggestions for work, It doesn’t bother me in the slightest when he chooses not to approve them, it doesn’t make me feel like I am incapable to make decisions.

            You can say that marriage is different to work, yet I know many Christian wives who are happy with this arrangement for the same reason- not for the ability to one day take rule over him, but because he has good character as a leader.

            But once again, if it’s a decision you don’t want to take, then don’t take it.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            You don’t understand what I am saying. It’s not the fact that you can one day take over a specific certain boss, its the fact that you are not limited to remain in the subservient position for all time for something you had no control over, you gender! Don’t you think marriage works much better when BOTH get authority in how things are run in the marriage? BOTH individuals should be able to retain veto rights. If the husband orders her to do something she REALLY doesn’t want to do, she should have the right to veto it or else its bullying. Most cases out of LOVE not submission, most spouses will WANT to do what the other wants, not because of some rigid hierarchy, but because they simply want to see each other happy, and it goes BOTH ways not just one!
            So, if the wife asks/tells her husband to do something he in most cases should do it also! If they reach an impasse then if they can’t solve it between them, a third party should be brought in (or walk away and revisit it later on after both have had time to think). Giving one person all the authority to just decide what they want while the other is expected to just agree with a smile is wrong. There is such a thing as compromise, and it should not be always the wife giving in while the husband always gets his way. Thats not fair and after awhile of the husband always getting his way, the wife will grow to resent that arrangement and start to fall out of love. So do you want a wife who grudgingly gives in because she’s ordered to, and feels her will means nothing, and then later on starts to resent that after it happens over and over, and maybe the first few years she will be happy to play subordinate because she is still wide eyed in love, but trust me after time passes, she WILL resent you having all the freedom to choose YOUR way and never hers. And you might not lose her physically if she believes deeply in Christian doctrine of no divorce, but emotionally you WILL lose her. Nobody wants to be smothered for all time for their whole life into a secondary role. NOBODY! And you cant compare work to home life. Work stays at work when you go home. Your boss has no authority over what you do at home or as a family. For the wife in this situation your authority would pervade EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of her life. She is essentially a non person because its only YOUR will that matters. She WILL grow to resent it. I have watched it happen. Women suffering in silence as their husbands become controlling, jealous, abusive, refusing access to family finances, buying toys for himself and leaving her with almost nothing outside of basics, buying himself booze, ordering her around to ‘make him a sammich’ and ‘get me a beer’ type of thing while HIS game is on TV and she never got to watch anything of hers. You really think a woman can love a man anymore when that happens?? And it WILL happen if you give 100% control to one person, the husband. 100% power corrupts 100% absolutely.

          • David Withington says:

            You say that it’s something that you have no control over. You are mistaken. You have 100% control over it. A woman has 100% control over whether she becomes a christian, and 100% control over whether she becomes a wife-and to whom she becomes a wife to.

            The scenario you have presented is not an accurate description of a biblical marriage.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            But what? Her choices are either don’t get married or choose to live in subjection? While men get to be ‘free’ and in control for their whole lives. That’s fair… NOT! A woman has to choose between companionship and freedom to decide her own life. Between serving a husband and being his slave or living as a free woman who can make her own decisions. Meanwhile men never have to choose between companionship and their freedom to control their own lives. Who is making the larger sacrifice in that kind of marriage where its all vs none when it comes to power? No wonder most marriages back in history of Christianity were ‘arranged’ and forced.

          • David Withington says:

            The fact that you obviously do not live this lifestyle is irrefutable proof that women do have a choice. If they did not then you also would be in subjection to a husband.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            I was not brought up in evangelical or baptist hard core christianity. My Father was Catholic and my Mom was Protestant but they weren’t very religious so I wasnt forced into anything. I was speaking more of families like the Duggars, etc in present day, and nearly all Christian families in history up to about 100 years ago. Yes, most women were married off in arranged marriages and courting was strictly supervised. But there are fundamentalist groups who still adhere to this. The girl might show interest in a boy, but the parents (more like Father) have the last say. And these kids are brainwashed to the point where they feel they will be shunned if they leave or follow a different path.

          • Martha says:

            Catholics don’t marry Protestants if their doing what they are suppose to do. Catholics marry ONLY Catholics, unless they don’t mind getting ex-
            communicated. Hummmmm you’re parents needed to teach you more
            about rules and the Bible.

        • Martha says:

          You must feel comfortable just saying any thing you want. In Michigan, Wisconsin and other states (that’s called government) it is against the law to commit adultery (that’s bedroom!). Quit making things up to try to prove
          a point. We can see right through you.

  57. Bethany Hacquoil says:

    I’m curious where you found that Daily Mail study? I would like to take a look at the original source

  58. Valerio Musica says:

    What do you think about the fact that for the same job a woman makes $0.40 and a man $1?

    • Sarah Brinson says:

      debunked a million times

      • Sarah says:

        I’m not sure if it’s just the numbers you’re disputing there, but wage inequality is definitely still around.

    • Martha says:

      I think it is FAIR. I have always wondered why women have no shame in asking for
      equal pay when we know very well that we can not do the same amount of work in the same amount of time, admit it. Alot of women manipulate (and that’s not decent) in order to get a man to help her do her part of the job she can not handle. Most of the problems humans have today comes from lying. If we would be truthful and ADMIT wrongdoing our problems would mostly solve themselves. Eve was the same way.

  59. Sandra Aleman says:

    Christian Feminism in one sentence: “The only man who runs my life is Jesus.”
    When I hear about new feminist ideas where you have to choose sides, I always think, “Is this against Christianity?” and if the answer is yes, then I think “Is this against God and His unchanging principle, or is this against the mainstream CULTURE that has developed AROUND Christianity?”
    I will choose God over feminism, but I will choose feminism over mainstream Christian culture.

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  61. Michelle Hunter says:

    This article is very weak and makes ludicrous sweeping statements. Disappointing.

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  63. I cannot go into extensive detail here, but the various messages and prophesies of Scripture must never be ignored.

    There are many throughout the Bible, but they are perhaps best represented by the 26 verses of Isaiah chapter 3. Often summarised by the words:-

    “When the power of Satan is at its height your leaders shall have the minds of children and women shall control them”.

    These words, particularly when put into context with America and my own country (the UK) in the 21st century, are become increasingly poignant as each year passes. It would be very unwise for any serious Christian to ignore them. Remember Christ’s warning to people who thought that they were genuine believers in Matthew 7:23 – “And then I will declare to them I never knew you. Be gone from my sight”.

  64. Wanda McDonald says:

    All this subjugation thing is an illusion. An illusion designed to stroke men’s ego. In practice there is no leader or follower, no spouse is above the other spouse. I am so sorry so many of you can not see through the illusion and get what its saying!

    Think about it, the second part is instruction for the husband to love SACRIFICIALLY. Guess what that means for the husband???!? (No it is not speaking about the 1 in 10000000000 chance where he might have to physically defend her)

    When a husband has a disagreement with his wife, he has to SACRIFICE his own will, and give his wife her way. That means deferring to HER choice in the matter! That is loving self sacrificially! To select his own choice and ignore hers, is not loving self sacrificially!

    So who is really in control? Its an illusion! If he follows his own instruction its actually teaching equal authority (while giving men the illusion of control to stroke their ego) because if he is following his own instruction he will NEVER go against his wife’s will. And if she is following it, will never go against his. They will both want to make the other happy and neither will want their own will imposed.

    She is supposed to compromise her will for her husbands, and the husband’s will is instructed to be self sacrificial! It means every single say lay aside his own will, lay aside his own wants and give his wife hers. That means in disagreements he has to divert to HER! So while it’s an illusion that he CHOSE to side with her way, in reality, he diverted to her, so who is really in control?

    Your game and her show on at same time? Guess what, swallow your pride and give the tv to your wife. New toy for the garage for you vs that vacation she really wants to go on with you and the kids to have family time? Guess what! You got it, sacrifice the toy and give her the vacation. If a husband is following his own instruction he is essentially sacrificing his own will, and giving his wife hers.

    So the language may be different but both spouses are doing the same exact thing.

    And by the way there is no usage of the words obey or leader at all. Husband is not ever instructed to ‘lead’ and the wife is never instructed to ‘obey’ the words used are submit and sacrifice.

    But really —– to submit IS to sacrifice one’s will, and to sacrifice IS to submit one’s will!

    See, its an ILLUSION!

    • David Withington says:

      Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

      1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Hence the illusion. If you are doing your part by deferring to her self sacrificially, then her is being is just recriprocating. You can’t be loving sacrificially if you choose your own way over hers. That’s being selfish. As husband you are supposed to sacrifice your own wants and desires to give your wife hers. ALL THE TIME. If you are deferring to her to give her what she wants, then there is no hierarchy. As I said the wording makes it sound like it’s the mans choice to defer to his wife. Therefore he still feels like he is the one in control but it’s an illusion. In reality both spouses put each other above themselves. If a husband in any situation decides for himself and not his wife in anything at all. He has failed at loving self sacrificially (he didn’t give himself up for her. He didn’t give up his desires for hers). In that case she is not obliged to follow and obey. Think about it you say to your wife lets go out for dinner and then ask her what she wants. She says whatever you want dear in response. You say no it’s your choice to her. She obeys and chooses. You think you were in control the whole time but really she decided. In reality nobody was in control over the other. If instead you said we’re going to the sports bar and that’s it (even though you know she hates sports) That is not loving self sacrificially and she though she might oblige …you will be in the doghouse for awhile abd she will be hurt. The one who has the ‘illusory’ position of leader is not really leading anything except deference and sacrifice. The leader is supposed to become a servant. Remember the words ‘not so with you’? There is nothing about ordering someone to make sammiches. Women were not created to do men’s laundry and cook for them. Loving self sacrificially means the husband will do those things to do his share since he makes half the mess. Anyone can keep a house clean and still work. Better even if both men and women do chores together. Nobody wants to be shoehorned into the menial tasks.

        • David Withington says:

          I agree. The role model for a good leader is Jesus Christ who, although he was their leader, he was also their servant

          John 13:13-15 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

          Matthew 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            See the illusion now? Jesus (the person) did not order individuals around. Instead he gave himself up for them. He gave in to the will of those who killed him. In other words a husband who follows this, has to give up his will for the will of his wife. Meaning you have to give up YOUR decision to give her HERS – ALL THE TIME! Or else that is not loving SACRIFICIALLY. Why exactly are men called to do this willingly? Because men in history have done the opposite and chose their own desires and needs over their wife, while she was treated as an object. Under this new way of marriage, a husband has to give up his wants, in order to give his wife hers. And it has to be all the time or else its not truly being self sacrificial.

            So now who really has the last say in decision making?

            Loving Sacrificially is the SAME thing as submission. And submission is the SAME thing as loving sacrificially. There is no leading or following. Both are leading and following each other. In balance. There is not one in charge over the other.

            Jesus never called himself a leader by the way. Only a servant.
            Meaning a husband is to NEVER call himself a leader to his wife, but only a servant to her. Meaning you can never expect her to just obey your every whim and command. Your part is to put yourself BENEATH HER!

            So, is submission really about who has the last say? Or is it about just deferring your own will to give someone else theirs? That’s the SAME exact thing as being self sacrificial.

            So they are equal. There is no hierarchy or chain of command. Its an illusion.

            The wording is only the way it is, so that men get the feeling like it was their decision to lay down their desires for their wife’s. It gives men a sense that they are in control when in reality they are willingly to give up control. The more I look at it, its a kind of brilliant trickery on the male mind actually.

            But in the end, he has to give up his control to his wife. In return she also submits (both to his giving control over to her and giving up her own control, or the fight for control, since for long women fought against male control and its hard to give up that fight after so long) so then in the end, you have a blank slate where nobody wants to be in control and both want to work together as equals. The true design for marriage.

            If men stop trying to be in control, and instead give the decision to the wife, then the wife will automatically no longer fight them, and then both will work together automatically without wanting to exercise control over the other.

          • David Withington says:

            I don’t think you’ve read the gospels recently.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            See, men just cant give up that control! Ego!

          • SUP says:

            maybe submitting to a man’s control will make you happier?

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Nope. Not on your life. I am a career military woman 20 years and have male subordinates. I know what my leadership qualities are. At work I defer to command whether male or female. The men do the same. I’m not about to be a subordinate in my own home.

          • SUP says:

            Suit urself, but if ur naturally submissive and u rebel against that side of you , ur causing urself suffering

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            I’m not naturally submissive. AT ALL. I’m naturally dominant. Many men are naturally submissive too. We are diverse as humans. Let people make their own decisions on what makes them happy.

          • SUP says:

            People can make their own decisions for themselves if they need that experience and there’s a lesson for them to learn that will help them be happy. But if u choose to go against what is naturally healthy for you, you will suffer

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            What is healthy for someone as an adult is to not be suppressed by another enforcing their will over you. No adult should ever be treated like a minor child and have all will and authority taken from them by another. Suppression of a souls expression because someone thinks they deserve all ‘authority’ in a relationship is a crime against God.

          • SUP says:

            its not suppression, its guidance

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And you don’t think spouses can guide each other to happiness as equals?? Because that’s where vast majority of marriages are… they both guide each other.

          • SUP says:

            That can also happen. Depends on the people

          • SUP says:

            But equality is about being equally happy and having equal worth

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And you think someone can be happy if they have to just obey every whim of someone else and have no voice or will of their own??? You are seriously in need of help!

          • SUP says:

            but im talking about obeying someone who cares about ur safety, not someone whos abusive. also, unless it was a strick dominant/submissive relationship, you would still have a say over how u would be treated. people who are meant to be submissive shouldnt put up with abusive or oppressive relationships

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Men assuming that women require to be under male control is no different than whites assuming that blacks were required to be under white control. Slave drivers thought they were doing the right thing and that the blacks were uncivilized. They actually thought that forcing them into submission on plantations was helping them and that they would be happy. Do you think the black slaves were happy to be slaves? The whites thought the blacks couldn’t achieve anything or lead themselves. But hey now that’s behind us and we have seen a black President, black scientists, doctors, etc. So it was not true was it? The slave drivers were actually holding the progression of the black people behind. It’s the SAME for women. Men think that women need to be controlled “for our own good”. That we don’t know what’s good for us. This thinking kept the progression of women halted for ages! BUt same parallel, we now have seen female Prime Ministers of UK, India etc. Female scientists, female doctors, lawyers, judges, prominent leaders in the community and society. This only happened because in (largely western) society the control over women was loosened. Now the vast majority of women are no longer obedient housewives whose entire life revolves around scrubbing floors, cooking and obeying their husband. Simply put, just as whites interfered with and stopped the progression of the black people as a whole (until they were freed), men are trying to (once again) control the progression of women and even reverse it.
            Sorry, but NO human has the right to dictate to another human and force them into submission except under a very few circumstances: a minor child, a person who is mentally incapacitated, or a convicted criminal who has forfeited their freedom as a human by committing a crime. A woman is a fully developed adult who has full faculties and NO MAN gets to just decide his way is best.

          • SUP says:

            no one is talking about slavery. slave drivers didnt care about whats best for blacks. im not saying for all women, being submissive is best for them

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            The general consensus was that the blacks were uncivilized and that by controlling them and dictating their lives they were actually helping them. The reason why I compared it, was that the action and reasoning was the same. Whether men think they actually care about a woman or not, by limiting her freedom, and making her submit when she doesn’t want to, or brainwashing her (as from childhood) that she is to be forever submissive and subordinate, then that is a crime against her humanity as a free soul.
            Anyway today most women are not submissive. I don’t think I know one submissive woman. All are living equal partnerships with their husbands. And if they have an issue with anything they are NOT afraid to to make it known to their husband! In fact I’d say that this is 99% of women in the west. They won’t cow toe to men, and are not afraid to speak up when they disagree on something, and most won’t be the first to cave when a disagreement happens. Most of the men I know WILL be the first to cave in an argument.

          • SUP says:

            again, when i say submissive, i dont necessarily mean completely submissive. i also mean mostly submissive. Forcing a woman to be submissive isnt necessarily a crime against humanity because its not necessarily harmful. it depends on the situation and the people involve. whites did not generally care about what was best for blacks. forcing a woman to be submissive is not necessarily brainwashing.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Its harmful if the woman doesn’t want to be submissive. Then it’s intruding on her freedom as a human. No human has the right to have that infringed upon just because the other person thinks the know what’s best. What one person thinks is best is not necessarily what is best for someone. I’ll give you an example: Lets say a husband thinks he knows whats best for his wife regarding a career decision and then forces her to make the wrong decision. As a result she either loses the job or ends up unhappy in the job. When she knew better about what decision to make, but he forced his will on her because he felt it was his right to dictate to her what to do. It was never his right to do that. But Christianity says it is. Now, in general, NOBODY likes to have someone always barking orders and telling them what to do. A career is one thing because its only during working hours. But a marriage is every aspect of your life. Vacation, evenings, weekends, the bedroom. You get the point. To have to be subordinate in your own home when you don’t want to be, is wrong especially when it pervades everything. Because it smothers who you are, and restricts your freedom to express yourself. Nobody will argue that children are in general frustrated at being directed all the time. Yes parents have their best interests at heart but you start to see in their teens when their own persona develops and then you have to tread lightly because you don’t want to squash that. You don’t want to kill the flame that will become them as an adult. So you start to give more freedom. No parent would exercise any sort of control over an adult child. Its the same with a husband and wife. No wife wants to be dictated to all the time because she is a full capable adult who DOES know whats best for herself (unless she is mentally ill). So yes, its a crime against HER humanity if she is forced into a subordinate / submissive role when she does not want to be.

          • SUP says:

            ur completely missing the point of what i am saying. telling someone what to do gives them greater freedom when done right. im talking about someone who actually knows what is best for the other person. a person isnt free if they keep making the wrong choices that make them suffer. you sound like you are too blinded by ur own ego to to be willing to submit to someone who knows better than u

          • SUP says:

            you sound like u want freedom with no respect to people who have higher authority than u because they know better

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And if I know better and I have decided that I know better?

          • SUP says:

            than u take in charge

          • SUP says:

            u just hate men, u do haate men. ur not a voice for anyone

          • SUP says:

            its not necessarily harmful to a woman who doesnt want to be submissive

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Same can be said for men

          • SUP says:

            yes it can

          • SUP says:

            its not necessarily a crime against her humanity because a woman does not necessarily know whats best for her, the same with men

          • SUP says:

            being subordinate does not necessarily restrict ur freedom

          • SUP says:

            forcing an adult to be submissive is not a restriction of freedom if they dont know what they are doing and their choices just make them suffer. if they dont know what they are doing and their choices keep making them suffer, they will only restrict their fredom

          • SUP says:


          • SUP says:

            i dont know where u live but women tend to be submissive.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            I am in Canada. In the west at least, women are not submissive. Except for maybe those who play in BDSM circles. But then, they are only doing so in the bedroom mostly. In countries in the east, women are mostly only submissive because of cultural conditioning. Girls are taught their entire existence is to serve men and see their husband as a ‘God’ over them. If that is what you are taught all your life, then of course you will do it. Because you will actually think you are inferior. Some are now starting to surpass this bondage though. In India, in the cities anyway you can see it. People shunning the whole man is god over woman thing. But strict Muslim countries the women are submissive…. lest they get acid thrown in their face, or stoned to death.

          • SUP says:

            no, even in the west, women tend to be submissive. saying a woman should serve a man doesnt not necessarily make them inferior. you are too rebellious

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Umm yes it does. The one being served is in a superior position. A king is served while a peasant does the serving. Who is inferior? Obviously the peasant. But they shouldn’t be because both as humans should be equal. I rebel against anything unfair by the way and proud of it. If you think being submissive is so good then why don’t you go do it?? Leave those of us alone who want our freedom.

          • SUP says:

            no it doesnt necessarily. being in charge and being submissive can be equal in the sense that both have have equal worth. also, im talking about marriage. one person being in charge in a marriage and one person being submissive can be equal when done right. what ur talking about isnt freedom

          • SUP says:

            freedom isnt freedom if it restricts ur options in the long run. doing whatever u want doesnt give u freedom because then u will do things that will restrict ur freedom in the long run.

          • SUP says:

            equallity doesnt necessarily mean sameness. equality can also mean having equal worth or value

          • SUP says:

            no, u sound like u rebel against the idea that people know better than u and u sound like u rebel against the idea that u might not always know whats best for u

          • SUP says:

            being in charge and being submissive can be equal in the sense that both have the same value or same basic rights or both are equally happy. equality doesnt necessarily mean being completely the same

          • SUP says:

            im not sure if im dominant or submissive but what u want doesnt sound like freedom

          • SUP says:

            equality first and foremost means being the same in worth and being the same in happiness

          • SUP says:

            a king and a peasant is not the same as a marriage. also, one being served and one doing the serving can be equality if both are equally happy and both positions have equal value or worth

          • SUP says:

            a person being in charge and a person being subordinate can be equality if both have equal happiness and have equal worth

          • SUP says:

            its not fair to let someone do what they dont know what to do and let them suffer because they dont know what they are doing

          • SUP says:

            well I’m sure eastern women tend though to be much more submissive cause of ancestral culture

          • SUP says:

            there is nothing necessarily wrong with saying women should serve men because serving men does not necessarily harm women, even if its something they dont want to do in the beginning but it helps them later on in life

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Same can be said for men… this isn’t a gender thing.

          • SUP says:

            no its not but women tend too be happy being submissive

          • SUP says:

            women arent submissive just because of cultural influences, there is also a biological influence too

          • SUP says:

            freedom does not mean doing what ever u want. freedom means doing what helps make you and everyone else happy. doing whatever u want is not necessarily the best thing for someone, not if they dont know what they are doing

          • SUP says:

            also, im not saying women who being submissive is best for them are necessarily completely submissive. forcing someone to be submissive is not necessarily wrong or dictating someone’s life is not necessarily wrong, it depends on the situation. some women are happiest in the long run being submissive and some are happiest being dominant but women tend to be submissive.

          • SUP says:

            a man can decide if his way is best if his way is actually best for her and he knows better, vice versa also

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And if both spouses decide they know what is better for the other? What then? Then you have two people trying to dominate each other. Then how do you decide who gets to dominate who?

          • SUP says:

            the one who actually knows what is best

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And when the man thinks he knows whats best and the woman also thinks she knows whats best??? Then what?? The christian view is that its always the woman who has to cave and the man always gets his way, even if the woman was the one who knows best.

          • SUP says:

            im not talking about the christian view. your missing the point of what im saying, im saying the one who actually knows better should lead, whether its a man or woman. women just naturally tend to be submissive and some women go against this naturally healthy part of them and make themselves suffer

          • Martha says:

            That’s not TRUE. True Christians know that we must please God and love
            our neighbor as ourselves. It is a no brainer for a TRUE Christian. The
            woman (me) would be happy to go first and show LOVE and please GOD.
            Why not? After all when I became a Christian (age 5) I raised my hand so
            God and Jesus the son of God and all the angels can see that I want to DO MY IMPERFECT PART in becoming holy. Who’s keeping count, I am not.
            I know God is.

          • Martha says:

            WRONG, the one that wants to please GOD first. Love your mate set the
            example, go first. Prove your love while you still have time (breath).

          • SUP says:

            no that is illogical

          • SUP says:

            just enjoy ur life and let god take care of everything else

          • SUP says:

            slavery would be like forcing someone to do something under inhumane or cruel conditions

          • SUP says:

            the important thing is long term happiness. for some women, being dominated helps them be happy in the long run

          • SUP says:

            forcing a women into submission isnt necessarily slavery. the same vice versa

          • SUP says:

            wanting to control someone is not necessarily selfish. not if u think it will jelp the person be happier in the long run. its basically guidance

          • SUP says:

            not all women know whats best for them, the same with men

          • Martha says:

            Woman are “given enough rope” to do as they choose. If they do not want
            to do what comes easy, women should bow their head and pray for guidance instead of following the crowd. Stand up for whats good, reject
            the way Eve and Adam. We must allow God to tell us what to do with our
            lives. It doesn’t hurt, like Satan wants us to believe.

          • SUP says:

            some people naturally enjoy helping and serving others and thats fine if they are happy and arent abused

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Yes and that goes both ways… male and female. Many males like to serve others. This post is not about people voluntarily helping others. It’s about forcing one entire gender into a submissive ‘role’ based on nothing but what’s between their legs. I’m not against anyone male or female wanting to help others. I am against someone being forced into that position (or goaded into it) because of their gender.

          • SUP says:

            but thats only wrong if the person doesnt care if that makes the gender unhappy and it actually doees make them unhappy. also, its not based on just the gender, its based on psychological differences between the genders

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Nobody being forced into anything is happy. If you were forced into doing something you didn’t want to do, would you be happy about it? And that just shows the selfishness of the other person wanting control anyway!

          • SUP says:

            in the long run, it can bring happiness if done right. also, wanting to control someone is not wrong if u think it will make the other person be happy and it actually does in the long run

          • SUP says:

            their voice and will would be to want to help their partner tough. plus what if they are selfish and dont care about their partner’s happiness, in that case letting have a voice or will of their own will would cause harm

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            That goes both ways. What you are describing is consensual dominant / submissive relations. Not forcing one into a position based on their gender. Just like some men and some women like to be submissive, or have submissive tendencies, doesn’t mean the vast majority of people are like that and in fact they are not. And its NEVER up to someone else to decide for someone what’s best for them – unless they are a minor or mentally incapacitated / criminal and under care of a doctor or in police custody. Outside of that no matter how selfish someone might be, it’s NOBODY else’s right to dominate them and force them into submission.

          • SUP says:

            i disagree. women tend to be submissive. also, i dont see why forcing someone into submission is wrong if the person being forced has destructive and selfish tendencies

          • Martha says:

            I truly want to obey every whim every day of my dear husband, father of our two sons.
            I always pray for health and time to do more for my husband. I have no shame in doing this. I love my husband more than anyone, except my God.
            More than my children of course, without my husband I would not have our
            two boys. My younger son has often said “my father taught us religion without even opening his mouth”. The Bible says we are to worship only
            our God. So I obey the Bible. I worship only God. HOWEVER, If it was not wrong, a grave sin, to worship my husband I would for all the good he does for us all.

          • Martha says:

            You’re on the wrong track!! Marriage is all about becoming a better person.
            Who knows you better than your mate. If you listen to their complaints instead of “wanting your rights” you can refine yourself and become holy.
            Holy in the image of our Creator. It’s a beautiful gifts God gives us to be
            better. LISTEN, marriage is not about being happy but about being HOLY.
            Eve was the first feminist. Look at the mess SHE caused. Adam wimped out.

          • SUP says:

            supression is oppressive control that makes a person unhappy. helpful control guides someone to becoming happier

        • SUP says:

          a ma n being in charge is not necessarily a bad thing. for some woman, letting a man take charge brings greater happiness for both. hierarchy isnt necessarily a bad thing. people gotta care about their and other’s happiness

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Right just like the woman shouldn’t defer to the husbands wants in everything. The wife should not always sacrifice her wants and desires all the time either. The wife also has to think about her happiness too. And the couple leading together is not a bad thing. That way BOTH people’s happiness is taken into consideration. Not all women like to be dominated and controlled.

          • SUP says:

            For some people, being subordinate is the best thing for them. God just wants people to be happy

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Right and that can be a male too if he is not a natural born leader. And for some, elevating each other to the same level is what makes them happy. Both husband and wife should treat each other as equal to themselves. If someone is looking at someone else as a subordinate they will innately treat that person as inferior and not trust their input on things. Biblical Christian marriage puts woman into the position of not being trusted to make sound decisions, seen as weaker, inferior, their input and desires are thrown aside and dismissed and everything becomes about what the man wants. She only gets anything at all because he gives it to her. Her own identity in that set up is completely destroyed as she is turned into a robot. That’s a crime against God’s creation if you ask me.

          • SUP says:

            treating someone as a subordinate does not innately treat them as inferior, not if you take care of their legitimate needs and wants and not if they genuinely dont know what is the right thing to do and not if you place their ability to serve as being equally as important to your ability to lead.

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            That doesn’t describe all couples though as MOST adults can make perfectly sound decisions for themselves. Majority of human adults want control over their own lives and not to be somebody’s ‘bi**c’ if you know what I mean. And in the remainder there are equally the amount of males who prefer to be submissive as females who prefer it. So there is no innate natural trait that women can’t make decisions go themselves and have to have a male dictate it for them. The ‘biblical’ view putting everyone into boxes based on gender don’t account for the many women who can lead. Or the many men who prefer submissive status. Or the vast majority who prefer to work as a team of equals where they both have equal input. It’s obvious that it was written in made mindset by males to dictate control over women and what better way to keep ‘women in line’ as subordinates than to say God said it was so. Christianity is all about control and power. Women are virtual slaves in this mindset. Without a free will without mind without opportunities without self expression as everything is expected to be how the man wants it. A smart woman brought up in Christiantiy will avoid marriage and if leadership is not allowed in church then she should avoid that church too. Become secular, spiritual, there are spiritual paths which give women and men the same rights.

          • SUP says:

            Wanting control over your lives is not necessarily good for someone, not if they don’t know what they are doing and will create unnecessary suffering. Woman tend to be more submissive than males but this is just in general. Wanting control women is not wrong if someone thinks it will help women be happier and it actually does help ten be happier. Think of it as guidance from someone that know better. Wanting to cOntrol someone is only wring if its selfish or oppressive comtrol. Also, I’m not saying all or most woman can’t make their own decisions . Just saying some are happier by being led from someone who has their best interest at heart

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Just like some men also like being led by a woman who has heir best interest at heart. And women are not ‘typically’ submissive. Women are forced to be submissive through history. Males used physical strength to subdue women into being submissive but women didn’t WANT that. And it certainly doesn’t mean women were never capable to take the reins. Don’t paint us all with same brush. Otherwise I could say that males tend to be oppressive jerks who only want to be in power for selfish needs. I’m done with men wanting to control women and dictate women’s lives. Vast majority of women are not in general submissive. Not at all.

          • SUP says:

            women tend to be submissive and males tend to be dominant. being submissive is fine if it makes women happy and they dont put up with abuse

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Women don’t tend to be submissive. Women only end up submissive BECAUSE of abuse and fear. It’s proven by the fact that with training in military women have been just as brave as men in Afghanistan etc. Someone only grows up being submissive because that’s what they are taught their whole childhood growin up. Assertiveness is also taught. Look at most marriages now in west the wife is FAR from a doormat!! She makes her voice heard and count for just as much!! Vast majority of adults don’t fall into either submissive or dominant. They are in the middle and that results in sharing of control and authority in the relationship and that is when it’s most healthy relationship.

          • SUP says:

            When I said women tend to be submissive, I meant they tend to be more submissive than they are assertive . Women tend to like being submissive than liking to being assertive overall. The majority of submissive women aren’t submissive because of abuse or fear. They are submissive either cause its natural for them and/or they were taught that it would help them and their relationships to be happy

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Abuse fear and the third way is brainwashing. So yes it is taught. Girls are brainwashed into thinking they have no self worth and are incapable and after being told all their lives that they have to submit to a man and that god wants that of course some will actually follow that. Because they were brainwashed!!! That is the biggest crime against women. Men will pay for that.

          • SUP says:

            they are not taught to be submissive out of fear. girls are not taught to be submissive because they have no worth. only in dysfunctional societies are women taught to be submissive cause they have no worth. this doesnt change the fact women tend to prefer being completely or mostly submissive

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            I don’t know what women you’ve been around but every female I know will NEVER be a doormat!

          • SUP says:

            you dont have to be completely submissive to count as being a submissive person, you just need to be at least mostly submissive. some of the females you know probably are submissive, as in they might be more submissive than dominant. i dont know what you think a doormat is, but the submissive behavior im talking about helps women be happy and doesnt tolerate abuse. not sure what kind of females u interact with but i think its common for women to be mostly or all submisssive

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Ahh no it’s not. Most women I know won’t leave decision making up to their husbands. In fact they all pretty much are in control of what goes on in the family. So they are more dominant and controlling than their husbands are. Of course they all discuss decisions. The end point is that both men and women should put the other first. They should work on decisions together. There should never be one controlling 100% of the marriage. And no none of the females I know are what you would call in any way submissive lol

          • SUP says:

            some relationships work better with one in charge and the other follows if the one in charge knows what to do and isnt abusive

          • Martha says:

            Another no no. The Creator hates divorce, so do his TRUE worshipers

          • Susan says:

            But God is okay with women being beaten up???

          • SUP says:

            women are not necessarily submissive because of fear or abuse

          • SUP says:

            being brave in afghan only proves women are exercising their masculine side and/or they are trying to become a man psychologically

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Bravery does not belong to men!!!!! That’s the biggest rubbish I ever heard! Men trying to make themselves the better gender.

          • SUP says:

            bravery os masculine and thats fine. people are a mix of feminine and masculine. theres nothing necessarily wrong with a woman exercising masculine traits

          • Susan says:

            So when a women defends her child from a bear, as an example, she is not brave she has turned into a man? Wasn’t it the men who abandoned Jesus and the women who never left him. Wasn’t it the women that Jesus revealed himself to when resurrected. I believe that Jesus revealed himself to women first to make a point, He know that there would be male supremacist like you.

          • Martha says:

            YOU’RE not brave if YOU’RE not scared. Men were created first, does
            that upset you, emotionally.

          • SUP says:

            Women tend to like being submissive more than being assertive

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            No women do not ‘like’ being submissive maybe a few but most do not. Nobody actually likes having their lives controlled by someone else. Every soul who is on the receiving end of being controlled will feel the frustration of not being able to act on their own. What’s natural is humans have free will and to mess with someone’s free will as a human will have repurcussions like Stockholm syndrome and other mental issues. Lack of self confidence, self loathing lack of self worth.

          • SUP says:

            no, women tend to like being completely or mostly submissive in a relationship. this is fine if its not out of self hatred and it doesnt lead them to be abused

          • SUP says:

            Women tend to be submissive because its naturally to them and/or because they were taught to be submissive . It’s not usually because of fear or abuse

          • Susan says:

            Really that is why in days of old they had to have a “rule of thumb”. I guess many owners of wives used thicker sticks to beat their disobedient wives into submission.

          • SUP says:

            All or at least most people are a mix of feminine and masculine traits

          • SUP says:

            Woman typically are submissive so they typically will be happier being subordinate and this is fine as long as they aren’t being abused by their dominant partner. The Catholic Church is an example of control becoming oppressive and abusive, it doesn’t care about the happiness of women

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            That is a bunch of BS! The reason why women tended to be submissive over history is because they were told that was how they were supposed to be and males enforced it with physical force! Women are not “typically” submissive. What a bunch of BS!! Some minority might be but majority do not want their lives dictated while they play the role of servant. Some males and some females like to be submissive. Vast majority of humans fall in the middle where they want to have certain amount of control over their lives and work as an equal member of a team.

          • SUP says:

            there are genuine biological differences between the genders that effect the general population. women tend to be submissive but im not saying being submissive s necessarily wrong or that its necessaily wrong for a woman to be dominant

          • SUP says:

            Women tend to be submissive so being submissive in a relationship will tend to be the what gives woman greater happiness and this is fine as long as they don’t accept abuse or oppressive treatment. Also, there’s nothing necessarily wrong with a woman being dominant. A few woman are naturally dominant and even submissive ones have a dominant side to them and that’s fine as long as it helps them and the relationship be happy.

          • SUP says:

            equality is about having equal worth, equal value. its about helping people become equally happy

          • SUP says:

            Seeing someone as subordinate will not innately treat that person as inferior. Also, the person might listen to the advice of the subordinate if the dominant person things the subordinate knows what she is talking about. Equality is about being equally happy and having equal worth . Treating someone as a subordinate I’m the right way means caring about their wants and needs too. The subordinate’s identity is not destroyed if her identity is being submissive, as in serving gives them the greatest amount of joy

          • SUP says:

            A wife should only listen to the Man’d every wants if it will help make the relationship happy

          • SUP says:

            God said in the bible that the man is the leader of the household if ur going by the bible I mean

        • SUP says:

          but people gotta think about their happiness also

        • SUP says:

          you are not suppose to sacrifice your wants and desires to your wife all the time. you are suppose to care about your and your wife’s wants and desires. you shouldnt sacrifice your needs and desires if that will cause the greater suffering. you need to do what will cause the lesser evil

      • Susan says:

        Jesus freed women and Paul put women back under the boot of men. I follow Jesus, men love Paul because he made men think they are gods with lowly underlings. Get over yourself. you are not smarter wiser so should not be the boss of an equal. Suck it up little boy.

    • Jewels says:

      “We don’t need feminism to inform us of our worth and value. God already says we’re equally valuable”
      is basically the same logic people tried to apply to civil rights for black people

      Also would you say the same thing about a slave? That oh well you don’t need abolitionism because you’re already free in Christ

    • Jewels says:

      Ah sorry Wanda I just meant to reply to the whole article!

  65. Emmanuelle Harris says:

    Here’s my view on feminism: I don’t want to be defined first by my gender. It is not the most important thing about me. I am so much more than just female. For example, first and foremost, I am a person. I am a person with my own unique personality, giftings, desires, and opinions. And it’s true, some (maybe most) of them do not fit with the traditional conservative Christian views of femininity. Some of them do, and that’s fine, but what do I do with the ones that don’t? This article says that women shouldn’t strive to be the same as men, and my issue with that is that it completely fails to take into account who I am as an individual. In some areas, I am gifted in the same way that some men are gifted. In those areas, I am technically “the same” as men. But not all men, because not all men are the same. Both men and women are people first, so to try to shove everyone into one of two categories is ridiculous. Who fits perfectly into the image of femininity? Surely not every woman. Who fits perfectly into the image of masculinity? Surely not every man. What I enjoy about feminism is that it gives me space to be an individual, not a category. Is it perfect? No. Does it get everything right? No. But it allows me to figure out who I am supposed to be on the basis of my humanity, the basis of what I like, what I can do, what I’m good at, instead of telling me that I must be a certain way because I was born female.

    Also, as a side note, check out Dorothy Sayers’ collection of essays called, “Are Women Human.” It has some really great stuff on this topic from a Christian viewpoint.

    • Allison says:

      God made humans male and female and said it was very good. We are all made in his image and about half of humans God creates are his created sons he desires to adopt..and about half are his created daughters he desires to adopt…Are you complaining that your identity shouldn’t be ‘daughter of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords?! How can any woman be ungrateful over the most amazing thing God could ever do for us! He LOVES us, as his own daughters. No more whining about that! Plus the GOSPEL….Jesus loves us and died for all our sins even though we are sinful. He did not die for us because we are good at certain things. Our identity should never be from what WE do. It should always be from what God has done. Please Holy Spirit move in these churches who confuse the women in their identities…help us all keep our minds and hearts filled with You, not any crappy ideas created by people. Keep us from deception, and keep us as salt to the world of many lost and confused people.

      • Emmanuelle Harris says:

        I absolutely think that my identity should be as a child of God. But what is the distinction between being a child of God and a daughter of God? Is there one? Should there be one? I am definitely not ashamed to be a woman. I have no problem whatsoever with being a woman. What I do have a problem with is being seen as a woman first and a person second. Being a woman does not define everything I am.

        I do have to say that I resent the accusation that I have derived my identity not from God but from what I do. Respectfully, I cannot see how my above comment implied that I take for granted the love that God has for me. All that I was trying to say is that I would like the freedom to do what I am gifted (by God) to do without people trying to tell me that I can’t or shouldn’t because it isn’t feminine. My authentic identity as a child of God does not fit with everything traditional gender roles say that it should, and I would love for that to be celebrated and not looked down upon by Christians.

        I am sorry if my comment implied something that I did not mean to say.

        • Allison says:

          Some phrases that are red flags are: “resent the accusation”, “without people trying to tell me that I can’t or shouldn’t”, “because it isn’t feminine”, “traditional gender roles”. I did rebuke you for being ungrateful if you are ungrateful for God’s design. Wise people are thankful for rebukes, and want wisdom…they don’t get angry over it. I responded to your comment in the first place because it sounds against the bible. so my response is for your good, I care that you are believing and or preaching something that isn’t from God’s perfect words. The second flag…caring what people think instead of God is a huge trap I am fighting against too. Third And fourth flags are phrases that can mean a lot of different things. Feminine and traditional gender roles, if you are referring to anything God has spoken about women then your clear need is to choose God’s way instead of world-made ways. But if you’re talking about something not even in the bible then remove that from your cares because we follow Christ, not man made traditions. (Ie ‘must wear long skirts’ is NOT in the bible). But I hope you’re not referring to woman leading men because that is clearly not the way God made us and he is very clear that Christianity never have women pastoring men or teaching men. And if you are willing to think about what God has spoken, then you will understand it. As a wife, I don’t want my girlfriend giving my husband spiritual advice, I want a man mentoring him! Thanks for that discussion, Prayers.

          • Emmanuelle Harris says:

            I am sorry, but I fail to see how my comment on this article is against the Bible. Can you point out something specific in my comment that is against the Bible? From my perspective, all I said is that I have a problem with how traditional Christianity has defined gender roles. I have no problem whatsoever with what the Bible says about men and women. What I do have a problem with is people interpreting what the Bible says about men and women (which is actually surprisingly little) as a set of iron-clad restrictions that seem slightly silly in light of passages in the Bible about women like Deborah and Lydia. Some women are, if these parts of the Bible are to be believed, capable leaders called by God to lead people of both genders. Is leadership, even spiritual leadership, something that is completely off limits for women according to the Bible? I would venture to say no. Is it appropriate or fitting for every woman to lead? No, just as it would not be fitting for every man to lead. Not everyone is gifted in leadership, but it would seem odd to me if the gift of leadership was somehow only given to men.

            Regarding what you said about worrying about what people say, I completely agree that our focus should be on God and His approval, not on what other people think. The pressure put upon us by others to conform to what they think is right is a very real thing, however. God’s opinion is certainly the only one that matters, but the things you hear from others can still be extraordinarily influential and/or harmful. I have been told that I must get married, that I must submit to every man I meet, that I must be maternal and submissive and calm and meek and mild… The list goes on. Is it bad to be maternal? Absolutely not. Is it important to be calm and submissive? In certain situations, yes, but those are not qualities that only women must strive to cultivate. Neither are strength and protectiveness and courage virtues that only men must work to have. I have been told that I must try to cover up my natural gifts of a fighting spirit and the ability to lead and speak and be tenacious and stubborn precisely because I am a woman. I have been told that it displeases God to be the way I am. Those kinds of comments are hurtful and marginalizing; they have made me feel as though I cannot be who I am as well as be a good Christian.

            I am very truly sorry if I in any way implied that I am unhappy with what the Bible says about what it means to be a woman. I am happy with God-defined femininity, just not with the gender roles I have been given as my model of what a Christian woman ought to be.

          • Allison says:

            “Third And fourth flags are phrases that can mean a lot of different things. Feminine and traditional gender roles, if you are referring to anything God has spoken about women then your clear need is to choose God’s way instead of world-made ways. But if you’re talking about something not even in the bible then remove that from your cares because we follow Christ, not man made traditions. (Ie ‘must wear long skirts’ is NOT in the bible). But I hope you’re not referring to woman leading men because that is clearly not the way God made us and he is very clear that Christianity never have women pastoring men or teaching men. And if you are willing to think about what God has spoken, then you will understand it. As a wife, I don’t want my girlfriend giving my husband spiritual advice, I want a man mentoring him! Thanks for that discussion, Prayers.” As I said, it depends what you are implying by those words ‘feminine’ and ‘traditional gender roles’. So we are in agreement with deciding what is good and right, from ONLY God’s word. So if you think you should do something, ask God first. He is our Father after all 🙂 From what I have read, I know we are not to teach or have authority over men in the church. Debra led men before The Holy Spirit spoke about women leading in the church after Christ was risen. The bible also says our beauty comes from gentleness and quietness, not from our looks. I even stopped wearing makeup for this reason. But getting into the specifics of how to avoid outward beauty is very much everyone’s own conscience with the Lord. I hope I have cleared some things up but I don’t mind if you want to discuss more.

          • Emmanuelle Harris says:

            Is beauty only from gentleness and quietness, or can it come from other admirable qualities as well? I would say that this passage in the Bible, though specifically addressed to women, ought to apply to both men and women. No one’s focus should be on their outward appearance.

            Also, why would the coming of Christ eliminate the ability of women to lead?

          • Leandra “the Unicorn Reader” L says:

            Omg don’t bother arguing with people like that anymore hahah. There is nothing that implies rigid stereotypical gender roles in the Bible. The topics of discussion are headship and leadership within the church and marriage (and I am strictly egalitarian on those topics) and there is NOTHING in there about being ‘feminine’ and being ‘masculine’. So much stupid cultural stuff. You be the woman that God has made you to be and relish in it!

  66. Mary says:

    It seems to me that it is antifeminists, not feminists, who put themselves above God–or on a level with God. As a feminist, I believe that each human being has an obligation to cultivate their God-given talent, and heed the calling God provides. As a feminist, I value God’s creation in its diversity, and that includes human diversity. We are not all alike. Antifeminists, and those who promote rigid patriarchy, claim to speak for God, to know the will of God for others. This claim–that you are able to discern God’s design for another human being–is hubristic to say the least. A feminist acts from a place of humility, graciously heeding God’s voice, and working for justice without self-interest, so that every human being is free to do the same.

    • SUP says:

      i just want to say, patriarchy isnt necessarily bad and oppressive

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Neither is matriarchy, which existed prior to agricultural age and for much longer in human history.

        • SUP says:

          Yes I agree

        • Amanda says:

          Matriarchy was not much longer in human history. God and Jesus are the oldest in the world ( Jesus existed before he was born on earth ), Judaism is the oldest religion in the world. I’m okay with submitting to my husband as long as he ” a husband must love his wife as Christ loved the church.” that was written in the new testament. If you have not already, I prayed that you will pray to Jesus Christ and accept Him.
          My husband listens to me too.

      • Susan says:

        I consider patriarchy bad and oppressive. look to islamic countries to see how bad and how oppressive.

  67. Jennifer J says:

    You guys clearly have no real understanding of feminism. This article is ridiculous. Why don’t you go out and actually read some books about feminism? Get yourself educated on something besides the bible? eh?

  68. jaci says:

    So as a women it is my responsibility to know that I am valued equally and loved by God just as much as any man? Okay, that’s fine. I will put all my trust in God for the rest of my life and I have. But while I’m on earth, serving my purpose, a purpose that God created for me, I’m supposed to be devalued by society? Told I’m only worth my biological functions to reproduce and keep a man company? Then why did God create women just as intellectually capable? Ill give you that yes, we are created with different biology, but as people, men and women can equally achieve anything they want. Without feminism Kristen, you wouldn’t have been able to post this article to express your opinions on feminism and its conflicts with Christianity because you would be at home rearing your children being told that you don’t have a voice because your voice doesn’t matter, only your reproductive system. Now is that God’s word? or is that society? God loves all of His children and I believe he created us all equally. I think you can be a Christian and a Feminist and I believe that doesn’t make you any less of a Christian, and I don’t believe being a Christian makes me any less of a Feminist.

    • Allison says:

      The issue I believe, is entirely about the definition of feminism. At one time, feminism was good. Its mission was to educate a chauvinist society that women and men are all equal in Christ, as this is what God has told us clearly. But after women obtained some recognition of that, there have been anti Christian or confused Christian feminists deciding they wanted MORE. They want to have everything exactly the same as men, as if we are men. This includes all sinful ways of men: arrogant education and career success boasting, refusal to put children before career, refusal to submit to any of spouse’s needs, refusal to listen to any men in authority, it’s all just rebellion. Now, added to this proud, self-seeking, man-hating evils…feminism has also included, valued, and worshipped CHILD SACRIFICE. But oh, can’t say anything about what abortion actually is because that is ‘scare rehetoric’. Millions of Americans voted for a woman who said she supports partial birth abortions. That is extremely messed up. This is the power that the evil kind of feminism has brought about- having millions of women and men check off the name of a woman, while knowing she supports extremely brutal baby murder. Feminism is now evil. We need a new mission. Babyism. They are not equal right now, and as women, we need to step up and fix the horrible damage we have done!

    • SUP says:

      men and women are equal but not in the same way. they have equal worth but in different ways. you seem to be missing the point of the article

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Those different ways don’t translate into one being subordinate to the other though. In any relationship where one had full control over the other that’s not equality, that’s not equal but different, that’s just unequal. To have equal worth and value, ones desires and input must have equal worth and value or else it’s only lip service.

        • SUP says:

          No, equality doesn’t have to mean equal in power. Equality could just me of equal value. Being subordinate is just as important being dominant . Equality of happiness is the important thing

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And if a man wants to be subordinate to a dominant woman? Will say the same thing?? You are describing BDSM. Vast majority of people do not live their lives like a BDSM fantasy!!! Its real life. Where real decisions need to be made. Someone not having any say in real life decisions that affect them is absolutely WRONG. And always will be!

          • SUP says:

            i am not talking about BDSM. someone not having any say in real life decisions that affect them is bot necessarily wrong. its not wrong if they dont know whats best for them and they need guidance

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Please say you are not suggesting women are incapable of knowing what’s good for them.

          • SUP says:

            I’m not suggesting all but I’m sure there are those out there who don’t know what’s good for them . You might be one of them too

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            And what about males who don’t know what’s good for them? Gender should not be used as the litmus test. There is no difference between genders as to decision making ability!! To suggest so is just ludicris!

          • SUP says:

            if males dont know whats best for , then its best for them too be told what to do by someone who has their best interest at heart

          • SUP says:

            I’m not saying all woman are incapable of knowing what’s best for them for there are those out there

          • Susan says:

            You just showed your true colors that women are stupid and need a man to guide them. So even if women are really smart, they still need a superior male to tell them what to do and think???

        • SUP says:

          Yes it can. Being subordinate has equal worth to be dominant. Some people are happiest by doing what others want them to do

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            No it isn’t. Who is worth more to a ship? A deck hand at the lowest rank or the Captain?? You can easily do without a deckhand, there is no equal worth there. Their worth is same as their rank. Subordinate = less. In a marriage, with only two people you dont need a Captain and a deck hand to boss around. There are no checks and balances like an HR team to ensure the so called Captain doesn’t abuse their power. In a team of two, BOTH people’s desires and wishes and opinions on decisions etc need to have equal weight!

          • SUP says:

            marriage is different then a ship. being a subordinate in marriage can have equal worth to being dominant in a marriage, it can have equal value that ensures the marriage is happy because both are equally important. you dont give 2 people equal power in a marriage if one person doesnt know what is the best thing to do for the marriage and has destructive habits. you need at least 2 people to have a marriage, thats why being a subordinate can be equal to being dominant when done right

        • SUP says:

          If one partner has full control of a relationship, that’s fine as long as the person isn’t abusve and isn’t oppressive and takes care of the subordinate partner. Equality is first and foremost about being equally happy

          • leahtheme says:

            That’s fine if the other one WANTS for their partner to have control over them. In a woman HAS to stay at home and HAS to give birth to a number of children she doesn’t want and HAS to be silent and has no authority then it is surely wrong. There is no other explanation.

            Plus, having equal rights doesn’t mean what you said, it means that in a relationship a man has one position and a woman has the EXACT same position. Now THAT is feminism. Not “men should protect woman”, “men are the head of the house” or “women should have no authority”.

            Remember that.

            And you can be a 100% feminist and a 100% Christian.

          • SUP says:

            i dont care about feminism, im talking about being equally happy. equality and equal rights is about being equally happy and have equally important roles, not necessarily the same roles. you need to remeber that equality doesnt necessarily mean sameness. If a woman is going through what your saying, that only wrong if she has the right reasons for not wanting to stay at home and give birth and if the husband is abusing power for selfish reasons that doesnt care abut the wife”s happiness. if she doesnt want to stay at home and give birth to kids becuase she is being mean or selfish and doesnt care how negatively that would impact the husband and the relationship, then its okay if the husband refuses to give in to this bad behavior. im not saying the husband can rape her to get her pregnant though or make actual threats that would jeopardize the woman”s safety, but he doesnt have to support this bad behavior and he can refuse to do stuff for her until she corrects her behavior as long as what he refuses to do doesnt make the woman suffer

          • SUP says:

            equality is about equal worth

          • Amanda says:

            The disciple of Jesus Christ said ” a husband must love his wife as Christ loved the Church”. It also says ” husband and wives must submit to each other.”
            My husband listens to me, I am not silent with my husband. When he does something or says something I disagree with, I say something to him but it should be respectful while saying it. I also listen to him.

          • Martha says:

            True Christians don’t need or CLAMOR for their rights. Life is not fair, basic. Life is not about being happy. Life is TRUTH, worship your
            Creator, we don’t get to make the rules. So be modest, EVE had the same problem that Christian women fight daily. We are on this earth to make
            a name for ourselves with God. We will make a name, the choice is ours
            if it’s a good name or bad name. We don’t have long to do this.

          • Susan says:

            You are a liar, the Bible does tell women they are the underlings of men. So you think that God hates women because of Eve? So Adam is innocent, only women are evil unless they live on their knees forever forever. I do not like a God that hates women.

          • jaci says:

            To be equally happy, you must share equal duties, to share equal duties you must be treated as equal people. The bible never preaches patriarchy in humanity. It is humanity that takes advantage of societal roles.

          • SUP says:

            thats not for everyone. different people need different ways to be happy. im not religious but the bible did say wives should submit to there husbands.also, patriarchy can be used to help or hinder people”s happiness, the same with matriarchy. neither of these 2 systems are necessarily wrong as long as the right people are in charge

          • SUP says:

            the bible did endorse patriarchy . patriarchy and matriarchy are not necessarily wrong. equality doesnt necessarily mean sameness. for some people, they are treated equally by sharing the same duties because they are the same in that area of life. for others, they are treated equally by doing different things that are equally important because they have different skills and knowledge that makes them each unique and treating them the same diminishes their uniqueness. sometimes treating people equally doesnt mean sameness but instead means taking into considerations each ones specials skills and knowledge and making the best use of them

          • Wanda McDonald says:

            Right and if women are not equally happy with playing the part of second fiddle (subordinate)? And what if a male wants to be the subordinate role?

          • SUP says:

            if the women isnt happy, then she can talke to her husband about how to change thiings. if a male wants to be subordinate, thats fine if it makes him genuinely happy

          • Martha says:

            Being a Christian is not about being happy, it is about becoming holy. If she isn’t happy then she should pray and do whats right NOT WHAT FEELS GOOD.
            As for the husband, he too needs to pray for direction from his Creator, and step up to the plate, as well as pray for the wife he chose.
            It’s not that hard. “If you think you can or if you think you can’t you’re right!”

          • SUP says:

            you will never understad jesus if you keep thinking like that

          • SUP says:

            no point in religion if it doesn’t improve life

          • Susan says:

            So you think that God created women to be the underlings of men??? Why are men smarter or wiser? What is wrong with a partnership instead of dictatorship? The only man I bow down to is Jesus. You keep living on your knees and worship a man instead of Jesus. It is not hard to pick Jesus over a man now is it.

    • Allen Lamb says:

      Please remove opinion and feeling from your views and ask God to TELL you how to view man and woman. Way too much worldly views/ spin / translation and not enough biblical. Christ showed us the blueprint. He said while on earth he submitted to the father so PLEASE I EMPLORE YOU ALL, DO NOT VIEW THE WORLD SUBMIT NEGATIVELY, THAT IS A TRICK OF SATAN HIMESELF. EVEN CHRIST HAD TO SUBMIT SO HOW ARE WE TOO GOOD TO SUBMIT. (YALL SUBMIT TO YALL BOSSES 5 DAYS A WEEK!) As a man I submit to Christ and my wife submits to me and our children submit to us. That is how it is intended. We are blessed because we understand this fundamental truth.

      • Susan says:

        Jesus freed women and Paul but them back into bondage. I was not created by God to be the underling of any man. The only man I serve is Jesus.

  69. Sarah says:

    So I’ve been doing some extensive googling on the issues surrounding Christianity and Feminism. I have been a Christian my whole life and I come from a Christian family. I am also a woman studying for a degree in Maths. My ability is not diminished on account of my gender. However, because of the society we live in today, my future career prospects and the way I will be percieved and judged by wider society is very significantly affected by my gender. Feminism is relevent to me. It seeks to address these issues. Where does that leave me as a Christian?

    I would like to suggest that for centries now, the church has been using God’s holy name as an excuse to uphold these oppressive patriachal and white-supremesist social structures. The church was against feminism back when the Suffragettes were campaigning for the right to vote. Was this stance founded in theology, or in society? If the answer is the former, then does the church still oppose women having the right to vote? Any opinion that goes against the tide of society will inevitably be met with resistance by those in power. While I genuinely believe that many church leaders feel it is God’s will for women not to undertake leadership roles (for example), I question whether that belief is founded in theology, or society. The bible is a radical book and Christians should be radical people. We are to go into the world “like salt”, conforming to society will make us useless.

    In light of the above, I am aware that I myself am not immune from the socialisation of a culture that is sinful. Therefore I ask honestly, can someone tell me the difference between men and women? Other than that they are to compliment one another as equal partners (or something along those lines) because I’ve heard all of it before. I want to know, what is it that men have that women don’t? What is it that women have that men don’t? (Beyond the obvious physical differences). If we are both created in God’s image, are we really so different that we don’t deserve an equal say in the workings of the society we all must live in?

    Thank you for taking the time to read this. I look foward to any responses.

  70. Saltasaurus says:

    I:)am:)trying:) not:)to:)be:))that:)angry:)feminist:):)but:)this:)website:)is::)testing:)me:)))) 🙂

  71. leahtheme says:

    now this is why i’m an atheist
    thanks for helping me to be sure of my atheist-for-life decision!

    • Mitch says:

      So every Christian is a sexist. OK. See, this is why your movement of anger and hate disguised as righteousness is going to fail. You just hate people who love God. Good luck trying to change the world for the better with that mentality. And there are millions of women on this planet who love God. Did you ever maybe, just maybe, think that your perspective on things just might be wrong?

      • leahtheme says:

        i don’t hate people who believe in God
        i hate what they teach

        just like you have the “hate the sin, love the sinner” technique for homosexuals/bisexuals/any other sexuals except straight, i have that technique for Christians, i love them but i hate their religion

        sucks doesn’t it?
        well know you see how it is to walk in shoes of bisexual feminists(jk, you will never know the pain)

        • Mitch says:

          Nor will you know mine.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            You liked an article that literally said women are intellectually inferior. Ain’t nobody care about your man pain.

          • Amanda says:

            It doesn’t say in the Holy Bible that women are intellectually inferior. Islam’s quran says women are intellectually inferior, but not God or Jesus say that recorded in the Holy Bible.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            I was talking about the misogynistic redpiller article he upvoted but whatever. Thanks for your unnecessary and unwanted Islamophobia I guess.

          • Amanda says:

            It is not ‘ isalmophobia ‘ to know and show that the quran has lied about women.
            ‘ muhammad’ of the quran lied and said ” women are like domestic animals”.
            It is not unnecessary to say that.
            I am not afraid of islam, i am against it, although I do not hate muslims. Jesus Christ said: ” love your enemies” ” pray for those who persecute you”.
            I think you may call that unwanted too, but it’s okay.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            I still fail to see how anything you said was relevant.

          • Martha says:

            I Care

          • Martha says:

            Christians are proud to have DUTIES over rights. We don’t need rights.
            Duties is how TRUE Christians serve our God and neighbor.

          • Susan says:

            Martha if you think that our “DUTIES” mean the women need to live on their knees and worship men instead of God you are lost. God does not consider you a lesser being that needs a male master. Grow up.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            Wow Martha, a caring soul like you should found a charity to help angsty misogynists call women objects on the internet

        • Amanda says:

          Jesus Christ will help bisexual feminists with their confusion, pain, and to help them only be attracted to men if they ask for help. It is sin and women being attracted to women is unnatural. Jesus Christ will help them overcome it if they repent.

      • Wanda McDonald says:

        Why does loving God always have to be synonymous with hating women? Seeing women as subordinate, giving women less rights and autonomy and less leadership roles? Why does loving God always have to mean giving women a lesser life than men?

      • Saltasaurus says:

        “Movement of anger and hate” says the redpiller

    • Amanda says:

      You rejected God who made you and the Messiah, Jesus Christ, he sent. You are not morally superior to God. If you don’t accept Jesus Christ you will miss out on life while you are on earth and not notice the true message, you may lack protection from God ( because there is danger on earth from some people and some animals and there are demons ), and your afterlife will be painful and permanent. God did order the punishment of rapists by death, after He sent Jesus Christ they can ask for forgiveness and be spared. If you ask Jesus Christ to lead you to the proper Bible study you will find that God and Jesus are not sexist and are not against women.

    • Leandra “the Unicorn Reader” L says:

      I get your issue with that law. At first it sounded horrific to me too but you really do need to take the cultural context into consideration. During the OT times women were sold off by their fathers as brides (which was never condoned by God btw) and their value was very much tied with their virginities. So let’s say a man took a woman and took her virginity and then left her to be (without marrying her) no one would ever want to marry her. She would be considered “spoiled goods” and she would basically lose her entire inheritance. With this law the man was either forced to marry her and if he didn’t (which a lot of the men didn’t) he would have to pay her father money. Either of those two options was culturally and financially preferable compared to her never marrying and becoming an orphan once her parents died. The only way for a woman to have a decent future in that culture was to marry. Now you might say, well her rapist would be a horrible husband to her, who would want to be stuck with someone the likes of him? That might be true, but you have to keep in mind that a) husbands were under the law and weren’t allowed to act abusively towards their wives (Exodus 21:10-11, 18-19, Deuteronomy 24:5) and b) even if she would have married another man he probably (in most occasions) wouldn’t have been more loving or caring. Marriage in those days was simply a contract to ensure the safety and well-being of women and to ensure offspring to bring forth the inheritance to the man/woman.

      God doesn’t usually charge in with his laws and demand a change immediately. He works subtly with the (current) cultures and ensures as much safety/well-being to both parties as he could.

    • joesmith says:

      Actually love this post. Now revel in your rebellion and go away to die forever. Atheism is truly the best decision for the damned. Puts them where they belong. And if we are wrong you won’t be laughing because none of us will exist. Atheism: the best lose lose on the planet 🙂 you lose if we are right and you lose if your right.

      • Susan says:

        No worries Joe your hatred of women or at the very least, your disgust with us lowly women will make God proud.

  72. Jewels says:

    “We don’t need feminism to inform us of our worth and value. God already says we’re equally valuable”
    is basically the same logic people tried to apply to black people when they wanted equal rights.
    Also would you say the same thing about a slave? That oh well you don’t need abolitionism because you’re already free in Christ

  73. OrangeGirl says:

    I just can’t take this blog anymore. So many things you say and preach are so backwards and sick. You perpetuate this victim culture by not allowing people to stand up for themselves or one another because it is deemed wrong by biblical standards. You give medical advice on things you shouldn’t. You spread hate and misinformation. This blog is sickening and it makes me sad that people will actually listen to backwards beliefs like this.

  74. jayne190 says:

    I don’t agree. As a Christian, I do consider myself to be a feminist. I consider myself to be a moderate in this movement, as I don’t agree with the more radical aspects of the movement.

    • joesmith says:

      Picking and choosing parts out of a movement is equally hypocritical to picking and choosing parts of a religion to follow/believe in. I bet you simply label yourself feminist to be likeable but the truth is you don’t hold the tenets. You can’t serve two masters. You can’t believe marriage was created by god and then dictate what a marriage should look like. Either god created it and it looks like he wants it to be or he is fake and we are free to define reality as we see fit.

      • Arne Brouwer says:

        On point. As a dutch christian i call it, ‘tailoring faith to your own preferences’

        • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

          I am a Dutch Christian. And I’m not going to lick the boots of a man. So, while you may want a bootlicker… you’d have to look elsewhere. 🙂

          Because Jesus Christ didn’t teach us that men are gods who rule over women as their slaves. That was lucifer in the fall of man in Adam. But, the devil’s doctrine… perhaps sounds like “Christianity” to you?

        • Susan says:

          There are no radical ideas. So you believe that women are not equal under God or equal under the law. That is what feminism means.

  75. Ali says:

    Feminism can be used to demand respect for all that God has given you the ability to do. I know for a fact that God did not create me to submit to a man and keep my mouth shut, or else he wouldn’t have given me the ability to be an intellectual. Firstly, you can be pro-life and anti-abortion while still supporting a woman’s right to choose what she does with her own body. I completely agree that abortion is wrong, but lets remember that he without sin can cast the first stone.Want to know how Christians should stop abortion without trying to control the lives of women? Participate in programs that help struggling mothers, facilitate inexpensive adoption, and make sure that the children are not born into abusive,unhealthy, or unloving families. Secondly, at no point in my feminist thought have I EVER rejected God in any way shape or form. That literally doesn’t make sense, does that mean that the civil rights movement is also anti-God because they demanded to be treated like equals? Thirdly, I’m not sure what feminists you’ve been interacting with, but I have never met anyone like the ones you described.If you refer to Timothy 2:11 as youre basis argument then I hope you follow it as strictly as you preach it and completely submit to men and remain quiet. I suggest that you reread the bible. Read that we were all created in Gods image regardless of race or gender or whatever else. Read that we are all one in Jesus Christ.

    • joesmith says:

      I don’t understand, your a feminist and say you would never submit to a man. So clearly no man is ever above you. Which means Jesus is your equal. Which means you are not a Christian and therefore have no place in this discussion. You can be intellectual and submit to a godly man. When he strays you have a duty to point it out. Does that mean divorce when he doesn’t listen. The world says yes. God says pray and let him work on the man and you be patient. I don’t imagine you would ever wait on gods timeline since Jesus is equally man and therefore your equal and you won’t wait on a man.

      • chirsc62 says:

        I wonder how many Christian people here condemning feminism have loveless marriages held together only by the fear of condemnation for separating, I certainly don;t see much evidence of the love of man let alone Jesus in the way they communicate with others.

      • Susan says:

        So only men get to rule. You seem to think that only men can rule us lowly very stupid females. You are right about one thing no man is above any women no more than any women is above a man. Must drive your, I am god, ego crazy.

  76. Chad says:

    Guess what.

    1 Timothy 2:11-15
    1 Corinthians 14:34-35
    Titus 2:3-5
    1 Corinthians 11:3-9
    Proverbs 3:15-18
    Ephesians 5:22-23
    1 Peter 3:1-22
    Colossians 3:19
    Deuteronomy 22:8-9
    Genesis 3:16

    Your welcome. Lol

    • Chad says:

      You’re ****

    • Susan says:

      We get it Chad you and God hate women unless they are on their knees doing as the god like men command. It is enough to turn any women away from a God who hates women that much. LOL..

  77. Allen Lamb says:

    Please remove opinion and feeling from your views and ask God to TELL you how to view man and woman. Way too much worldly views/ spin / translation and not enough biblical.

    Christ showed us the blueprint. He said while on earth he submitted to the father so PLEASE I EMPLORE YOU ALL, DO NOT VIEW THE WORLD SUBMIT NEGATIVELY, THAT IS A TRICK OF SATAN HIMESELF. EVEN CHRIST HAD TO SUBMIT SO HOW ARE WE TOO GOOD TO SUBMIT. (YALL SUBMIT TO YALL BOSSES 5 DAYS A WEEK!) As a man I submit to Christ and my wife submits to me and our children submit to us. That is how it is intended. My family is blessed because we understand this fundamental truth.

    We Christians need to focus on sharing the gospel! This world will never be just and is coming to an end one day. Christ will bring justice one day so we just need to focus on doing justice in our everyday lives and leave these groups and identities to this lost world who thinks they need their heaven here on earth.

    • Wanda McDonald says:

      So why can’t a woman submit to Christ as an equal with her husband? There is a huge difference between submitting to general ideas in a religion l, compared to having to submit to every whim and desire of another fallible human being (husband). I am not Christian anymore so this doesn’t affect me but to think that women need an in between because we aren’t good enough to interpret the word of God ourselves is demeaning. Also what about all the other whims and desires of the husband? I hear people say everything she mustn’t obey unless it goes against God. But what if he wants to move away from her family just because? She has to obey because it’s not against god? How about demanding things like make him a sammich or get him beer etc or ordering her to do sexual acts she doesn’t feel comfortable with? None are so called against God. That means she has to always obey everything? How is that fair in this life? Try putting the shoe on the other foot and having to live in the lower position with only some promise of equality after death while your partner has all the privilege now! Power differences in marriage are never good. A fallible male human will ALWAYS abuse it at some point for his own favour.

      • Prophet Donald J Trump PBUH says:

        You need to watch The Red Pill Movie. if you think making a man a sandwhich is bad, you must rejoice in victory when he gives his life for you.

      • joesmith says:

        First will be last so I’m not sure an abusive husband will be equals in heaven. The truth is you were unable to interpret the word of god as your ideals and desire for power have led you down a path that resulted in you abandoning god. Also a man that desires power will abandon god as well. Sin and the removal of you from gods presences is absolutely equal to the sexes. Also why are you trolling a religious comment section. Celebrate your a/theism, which ever it is, with others that believe as you do. The truth is you troll these board because your master demands you slink about trying to steal souls like a thief.

    • Susan says:

      Jesus freed women and the women hater Paul enslaved . So only men are worthy to be under Jesus us lowly females have to be the underlings of the superior god like men. Wow, I pity your wife/slave.

  78. Leandra “the Unicorn Reader” L says:

    I read this article. Still a feminist. Being a feminist does not dictate exactly how involved you have to be or which ideas you have to support. A feminist is simply someone that believes in the social, economical and political equality of men and women. It’s as simple as that.

    • joesmith says:

      Social equality is the ugly sea creature girl defined is talking about. Social equality on a grand scale is awesome.(we already had it) But the final conclusion is woman filing for a divorce because he doesn’t do it for her anymore. Just as evil as when he did it. It leads to women saying there is no way I would submit myself to a man. Which leads to “why are you calling out to a lord?” Don’t you know Jesus was a man? Are you under a man? That isn’t feminism. You just betrayed the cause. You must reject all forms of female submission if you are a feminist. Including all bible passages telling a woman to submit to her husband.

      • Susan says:

        It is okay Joe, we understand that us women are lessor beings and we should go back to being owned by men.

    • Arne Brouwer says:

      Ok, tell me in which way women ar still behind on men? Could you specifically tell me what you would like to see being changed for the benefit of more equality between men and women?

      • Susan says:

        They aren’t, that is the point, if not for feminist we would still be the property of males. We are equal under the law and God because of feminism.

  79. Becky says:

    I thought this article was on point! thank you!

  80. Toby A. says:

    This is excellent. We are not to conform to the things of this world but to be transformed by the renewal of our minds!

  81. Shanae Butterworth says:

    From even the young age of eight, I’ve been aware of the selfish and anti-God aspectof feminism. Thank you for posting this, it’s encouraging to know I’m not the only one!

  82. Shanae Butterworth says:

    Even from the young age of eight, I’ve been aware of the selfish and anti-God aspects of feminism. Thanks for sharing this! It’s nice to know I’m not the only one!

    • Susan says:

      What is wrong with you people? So women are not equal under God. So women should not have equal rights under the law. So women need to go back to be the property of some male or other. You must be a mohammedan, that is the teachings of allah.

  83. Bethanie says:

    THANK YOU for putting into words what has been in my mind ever since feminism became so popular

  84. Sorry you feel this way. May I suggest reading some of Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza’s work? She is Christian and a feminist.

  85. Whiz Wheeler says:

    Always hated femisim but this article explains why. It is truly against the gender roles he gave to men and women and for that I will always be against it. But we are living in the end times, why are we not surprised?

  86. Prophet Donald J Trump PBUH says:

    Feminism is alive and well in the church, unfortunately.

    The relationship is about her
    The engagement is about her
    The wedding is about her
    The marriage is about her
    The kids are about her
    The divorce will be about her

    Stay single guys…..

  87. Euodias Lee says:

    Can feminism be turned into something positive like fighting for girls(and for also poor boys) in poor countries like pakistan and india where they are married at a very young age and denied education because of caste and gender? Side note: I like a mixture of things catered to guys mostly like Star wars and Superheroes but also just like other girls, romance and pretty dresses. Is it ok for me?

  88. Dami J says:

    I consider myself a first wave feminist as there are aspects of the other waves that are anti-Christian. And here’s the kicker I believe in submission and expect the man to be the head of the home. What I do not agree with is abuse of power, oppression and coercion which some men use as an excuse since they are the ‘head of the family’ anyway. That I fight against vehemently. I believe men should love their wives and wives should respect their husbands. I believe part of loving your wife is helping her if she is feeling overburdened with the housework especially in a home where two people have full time jobs. Some may argue that that is not respecting of gender roles but seeing your woman struggling with housework, cooking, kids etc and putting your feet up watching television because it is not a mans role doesn’t reek of love but selfishness. Likewise if my husband is struggling with the finances and I work, helping to contribute is me loving and helping to carry ‘one another’s burdens’. I don’t believe in role reversal. Men and women have different roles. But helping out each other from time to time shouldn’t be so frowned upon.

    • joesmith says:

      Basically you quoting the Bible but you needed a human created movement to really start getting passionate about your beliefs. Why because you love yourself and the idea of being a warrior. Everyone wants to be liked and a hero. Doing to make god happy just wasn’t really a selling point for you.

    • Jean says:

      Then why do couples say” we are pregnant” ? I never did understand why women and men are so adamant in saying that we have specific role sana then they go on and on and on about it being the wives role to submit and the husbands role to lead. All well and good, but then do this right people and let’s make sure we let women have their role that God gave to women only. Let the wife gave her role and say, “I am pregnant.”
      You all can’t have it both ways!! Stop straddling the fence and talking out of both sides of your mouths. Stop the double talk! If we are supposed to have specific roles, THEN, have specific roles and stop letting a husband say west he is not supposed to say since it is not his role and don’t jet him say ” we’re pregnant”.
      I am just sick and fed up with us letting the husband have his way, when he is not supposed have his way.

    • Susan says:

      There is only one wave of feminism. Equal under god and equal under the law. The other so called waves do not exist, but are taught by the thousands of women hating web sites. And please do not confuse indoctrinated leftist with feminism, they come in all genders and according to them the are 100+.

  89. loves period dramas says:

    I can never accept complementarianism and its slavish devotion to legalistic gender roles. I will never accept it. This idea that complementarians believe the sexes are equal, but not in the same ways just reeks of Orwell’s Animal Farm – all humans are equal but some are more equal than others. It’s fluff and nonsense.

  90. Jole says:

    firstly, i do thank you for writing a blog post on the subject. although i fundamentally disagree on virtually all levels, it’s an important conversation to have and one i hope we address more often. its just disappointing and frustrating to see yet another Christian post with no evidence to actually prove your argument. sure, you quote scripture, but there are no studies or academic references to back up anything said about feminism or what we actually stand for. it’s not fair to make blanket statements such as ‘almost all feminist groups strongly stand for ___ ‘ without any evidence to back it up. it’s the equivalent of me saying ‘almost all people who voted for Trump are racists’. without proof, the statement is worthless and socially irresponsible. (and no i’m not saying i believe that; i’m just using it as an example).

    on the subject of ‘Biblical gender roles’: only 100 years ago, when good Christian men were writing the laws based on the Bible and women were subordinate i.e. ‘respectful’ of their husbands, women were not even ‘persons’ under the law. they could not vote, they could not own property. they could not divorce their husbands for committing adultery (although men certainly could divorce their wives on that ground). wives could not sign contracts. this means that you could not even get a Facebook account without your husband’s permission. until recent years, women could not serve on a jury or practice law. without feminism, a husband could still legally rape his wife. and yes, these were all considered good law by the Christian church. i could go on and on if this is not enough for you. i know all this because i am a law student and have studied it. i could give case names and references but this is just a comment slot and i don’t want to turn it into a novel.

    i hope i don’t sound defensive (sorry, i know i do) but i mention this because i know women enjoy their legal rights, and i’m tired of seeing Christian women not do their homework, denounce feminism, and then sit back and enjoy all the benefits that feminists gave them. it’s not fair to call us ‘sinners’ yet you take so much pleasure in our sin. if you don’t like feminism so much and want to be ‘respectful’ of your husbands and your gender role, i suggest you give up all the legal rights that feminism gave you so at least you won’t be a hypocrite.

    • Valley Wild kitten says:

      Joke , you are right. Women who are against feminism, don’t realize what it was like for women before. let them give up all the rights that feminism created for them. Yes, men are some low down dirty creatures and they have created excuses to dominate and abuse us. Women better get some sense.
      Or they can keep kissing men’s butts.

    • Hannah B says:

      Hey Jole, I just wanted to tell you that while I’m not sure how to feel about feminism yet, I do appreciate how respectful you were in speaking about it. I’ve seen lots of women straight-up bashing the authors of this article, telling them they should be removed from society. Needless to say I’m glad to see people respecting others’ beliefs on here. Thank you. ❤️❤️

  91. Olivia Green says:

    This quote that was used, “At its root, feminism is built upon a foundation completely devoid of God,” is completely wrong. It seems like you did not do your home work. The first feminist meeting was formed by a group of Quaker women in 1848. Oh and many of the famous feminists known today are also Christians including Lucretia Mott, Dorthy Day, Emily Dickinson, and Sojourner Truth. Also the UK Daily Mail is not a scholarly source, and statistics are also flawed. Your argument is not properly formed, which means that there are many holes in it. Come back when you have a fully formed one with the proper citations and resources.

    • Shanae B says:

      Wikipedia isn’t a good source of information honey, especially since it’s so easy for pretty much anyone to change information on that site. And the group of Quaker women hated being Quakers.

      • Olivia Green says:

        Hunt, Helen LaKelly. Faith and feminism: a holy alliance. New York: Atria Books, 2004.
        Here is the Bibliography on the information I got.
        Also Quakers did not believe in social hierarchy, so women and men had more equality, the 19th century, than any other women of the time.

        • Shanae B says:

          I’m not sure how often Helen LaKelly Hunt actually reads and understands the Bible. You should crack open your dust caked one and read it for yourself.

          • Olivia Green says:

            I actually go to Reformed Episcopal private school, and I just so happen to study the Bible every day more so than you probably do.

          • Shanae B says:

            Ok sweetie, I didn’t realize how young you are! 🙂

          • Saltasaurus says:

            What does that mean Shanae. I’m still not convinced that feminism and Christianity are incompatable Shanae.

          • Shanae B says:

            And that’s your problem. Also this particular comment has nothing to do with you Saltasaurus.

          • Joseph Kuzara says:

            Episcopalians are work salvationists, leave that church, water baptism does not refenerate our spirit, none can loose salvation once saved by Gods choice. Man doesnnot cooperate with God to be saved. Being Hostile instinctly towards Him in sin does He intervene unpon yoir will to keep you from rejecting the true Gospel of grace thrpugh the Gift of Faith and granted repentance from lies to the truth to be justified.the Holy Spirit regenerates your dead spirit upon hearing the true testimony of whom Jesus Is and Did in His death. Then your granted repentance and fiving the gift of faith to accept the truth to be justified and samctified unto Gld for good works lerformed by God in you. Gods performance of Good works is only our authentixation of salvation.

          • Olivia Green says:

            I don’t think you understand. I go to a reformed Episcopal school, but I am a prating Pentecostal. Regardless, I do not think it is right for you to be attacking someone’s denomination, and I doubt that God would approve of that to be honest. Also I recommend checking your spelling and grammar the next time you post.

          • Joseph Kuzara says:

            If you dont think it is ok to love by admonishing you about a false christian denomination, then you dont understand the Will of God nor His teachings. Both Episcopal and Pentecostal assemblies have false foundations by deviating from the teachings of scripture and gifts of the Spirit. I can see you are eucemenised, which would only be ok if the denominations were grounded in truth but these two assemblies falsely represent Jesus teachings. Regardless if you are thier for educational purposes only and not to learn thier doctrines, they are a false church and depending on what type of pentecostal assembly you attend as a home church determines what false teachings your being taught.

            It is my right as a christian to defend the faith, admonish others of falsehoods and seek to silence heretics whom seek to take away the freedom we have in Christ through faith and not works of the Law. Just as Apostle Paul did for our example to follow.

          • Susan says:

            Jesus freed women and Paul enslaved them.

          • Shanae B says:

            It’s possible to read the Bible incorrectly and in a pick and choose way. I’m actually very sorry for you, especially if you’re not.

          • chirsc62 says:

            Didn’t Jesus call passive aggression a gift of the spirit?

          • Shanae B says:

            No. If so what verse?

          • Saltasaurus says:

            Hey Shanae just a quick question: Do you have any arguments besides accusations that everyone who disagrees with you is reading the Bible wrong? Like, is that the only index card you brought to the debate club meet?

  92. Lemuel Ogbunude says:

    This is wonderful, I am a guy and it isn’t really easy to talk about this issue to feminists. Love is only what we need, the society has made goals and getting a job look more important than a woman who has decided to stay home and train her children. Yes, women can work, and I do encourage it, but I get upset when someone just wants to get a Job not because they need it, but just to look good or so that they would not be looked down upon by other “strong” women. Jobs and accomplishments are not the source of happiness. Well, I feel being at home training children how to love, bonding with them is much more important and fulfilling than being the CEO of any company. The oppression of men on women too can only be solved by Love, by putting God first. I don’t see any reason why as a true Christian I will have any reason to oppress my fellow worker at the office or look down on someone because she is a woman, but all these happen because we forget God and don’t put him first. Again, this article is splendid.

    • chirsc62 says:

      Of course, if the husband feels strongly he can stay at home and look after the children while the wife goes out to work, earns a good salary and has a fulfilling job. Or is that unchristian?

  93. Simms says:

    As a woman and a woman that is currently working on getting back in-tune with God, THIS article is awesome! I’ve never really looked into feminism because the media always made it a big deal, but now I understand why I shouldn’t support it as a Christian woman. I will make sure to share this with other women and also do more research so that I can witness to others that don’t really understand what they do when they support this growing movement. Thank you!

    • Bobhob says:

      Wait, why don’t you read up on it somewhere else before making a full decision because it’s important to hear other’s comments as well

    • Susan says:

      So you think that women are not equal in the eyes of God or equal under the law. I am afraid what you think women are???

  94. Anna Rensfelt says:

    I have done things in my life I regret and I Will accept if god dont like it. I try to not be proud and stupid. I accept. I will Always try to do my best to be a good woman and human. But when god expect me to stay with a cheating husband who never act like he love me…
    For me feminism is to be respected and loved in your role as woman.

  95. Boston says:

    Dear Anti-Woman,
    If you would like to spend your life submitting to a man good for you. If you have a mental health problem that tells you that a book that was translated thousands of times is the word of God good for you. Please, however, stay away from the rest of the women of the world. We are free spirits who do not need your toxic, rigid, control. We say no to slavery while you perpetuate it in the name of God. You are a disgust and an embarassment to our sisterhood. Please keep your distance from other women. You are dangerous. You make $$$ preaching nonsense. Thank you. Bye Bye.

    • Shanae B says:

      Feminism is anti-woman. If you really ‘feel’ this way why did you waste your time reading and commenting on this?

      • ChibiHoshi says:

        Can’t answer for Boston but

        For me it is always wise to research dangerous things to help protect against it. Would you let a snake near your children? Would you ignore the snakes all together or research where they live, their life span, what they normally hunt, which are Venomous and deadly and which are Constrictors and not dangerous.

        Knowledge is important so that you can be aware and avoid letting dangerous things near your children

  96. Sam Jenkins says:

    I fully agree, there is nothing more dishonest than a Christian Feminist. After all, God made Eve from the rib of Adam to be his servant; the loyal hand that strokes the Head. She is not an equal. As you state, God did not make women in His likeness; he created her as one of ‘them’. There is no more slippery a serpant than a ‘Christian’ woman who asserts women are anything approaching Mans equal. She is even worse than those venomous Scientists and Geneticists whose aim is to vengefully overthrow the Credibility of Creation.

    • Shanae B says:

      You obviously have no real knowledge of the Bible. You should try reading it! If you’re incapable of that at least read Genesis 1:27.

      • David'n Kathi Hole says:

        Shanae B. I feel sad for you that you don’t draw your God-given power from the Holy Spirit that dwells within all believers but from your own earthly power that is placing you above the authority of Jesus Christ and cannot see where your worth truly lies from.

        • Shanae B says:

          I’m afraid you are mixed up in regards to myself. Sorry you misunderstood this particular comment.

        • Inge says:

          1Corinthians 11:12 – For as the woman [is] of the man, even so [is] the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

          How about that now,hey…there we have it equality is good.
          Your welcome now you are slightly more educated than you were before.

    • Elisse Tirian says:

      fun fact: the word for “helper” used in the Bible actually means the same as when a King asks a neighbouring kingdom for armies to fight alongside him. It’s that kind of “help”. Not subservient help. 🙂

  97. jeanmariesimpson says:

    So ignorant.

  98. chirsc62 says:

    I’d be interested in how Christian anti-feminists view women who are married in Church to an abusive and/or philandering husbands. Are they honor bound to stay in the marriage as Jesus did not like divorce and treat this as a cross to bear? Or could they embrace some form of feminism by freeing themselves from their misery?

    • Inge says:

      Free yourself , and find refuge in God. Always think about what will be better for you and if you have kids what will be better for them,keep them and yourself safe and away from danger . The Lord God is your refuge and safe place.

  99. David'n Kathi Hole says:

    Thank you! I am having such a hard time finding a church that my family can attend that hasn’t been laced with some kind of feminism and now with female pastors I find it distasteful. Men are being robbed of their God-given manhood by these women and their denial of the curse! Thank you for affirming my suspicions!

    • Inge says:

      Here we have a prime example of modern day sexism, suck it up bro cause women are becoming empowered and there’s nothing you can do about because women are independent and radical doers.Women pastors are amazing they are sending out God’s word , like we’re all called to do , if you want to put a stop to that your not only sexist then but you also want to put a stop to the word meeting new ears.Quite disgusting how selfish and close minded some people are.Be considerate. Female is the future.Long live suffragism .

    • Shanae B says:

      There unfortunately are many churches infiltrated just as you say. But even though they’re very few, there are still some churches that still hold to the Bible on this!

      • Saltasaurus says:

        Where in the Bible does it say that feminism is incompatible with Christianity? Because I go to a 200 year old all girls Catholic school with a very popular feminist club and a religion teacher who is one of the most ardent feminists I’ve ever known. Are Catholics not real Christians? What church do you go to? What does it mean for a church to be “infiltrated” by feminism?

        • Shanae B says:

          the Last part of Genesis 3:16 is very suspicious. At first glance it could mean a desire to be with the husband. But how could it not mean something else, it’s been extremely suspicious to me for Years. Feminism teaches to degrade men. Degrade women who love being a wife or a mother instead of making bodily “choice’s”, who become an entrepreneur without a college degree, who live with self dignity through modesty. You’re still very young and there’s a ton you don’t know about yet.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            Wow! Everything you said about feminism is wrong! Have you ever talked to a real feminist in your life or did you just hear all that from your bible study classes? Feminism is not about “degrading men,” I don’t know where you got that from. Feminists have nothing against women who are wives and mothers. Feminism is about giving women the choice to follow whatever path they choose, whether it is considered traditionally feminine or not. Shaming women for choosing to be a wife or mother is actually pretty anti-feminist, as shaming things for being associated with women is just another form of misogyny. You’re old and it’s pretty clear there’s still a ton you don’t know about yet. But please, educate me on the things I need to learn about the world, Shanae.

          • Shanae B says:

            I’ve only met 3 or 4 feminists in my whole life who weren’t like What I stated over the many who have. Even they were still very spiteful and shamming to themselves and others. I was also part of a Bible study for 3 years in my early twenties where the leader was a feminist and very much so that way. The fact that you think misogyny is a thing (especially in today’s world) speaks volumes. I am older than you and have been on this earth longer than you have, you could try to take that into consideration. Also what I said about feminism is right, I’ve seen it everyday for years. The dictionary definition of feminism is inaccurate.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            A.) Cool, I can say numbers too. According to my calculations I’ve met A Whole Lot Of Feminists who are not like what you’ve described in the least. Now we’ve both productively established that we have met different people with different traits and world views over the course of our lives. Fascinating!

            B.) Wow! You’ve suddenly helped me realize that misogyny doesn’t exist! We live in a 100% egalitarian utopia for all genders! No woman alive has ever experienced sexism ever! No woman in the world today has been sexually harassed/assaulted/abused in her life! Women in Saudi Arabia have been driving for ages! Malala Yousafzai never got shot and child marriages were completely wiped off the map generations ago! Female genital mutilation? Acid throwing attacks? Honor killings? What are those? Certainly not things that happen anymore anywhere on the planet! Now that I think of it, I’ve never witnessed any kind of media or advertising that portrays women as objects to be owned commodities to be consumed in my life, and neither has anyone else alive today! Sexism just literally doesn’t exist! Thanks for your sage advice, Bible Expert Shanae! It’s because of you I’ve had this amazing epiphany!

            C.) You clearly think of yourself as some kind of font of infinite wisdom but I’ll let you in on a little secret that’s gonna blow your mind: (being old doesn’t make you smart, it just makes you old. You could try to take that into consideration.)

            D.) Despite your extremely eloquent and persuasive argument I think I’m still gonna trust the dictionary over someone who says nothing but variations of “I Bible better than you” and “I know everything because I’m old.”

          • Shanae B says:

            You as a twelve or thirteen year old instead of staying up past midnight debating with as many people as you possibly can and putting words in people’s mouths, should be putting this much effort into your school work and in studying the Bible. Most people don’t (especially in US and Europe) read let alone study the Bible enough (or authenticly enough) before jumping into debates. You just proved it with your comment. Those particular situations you threw out in a grasp at straws way I made no comment about or against. Sorry You thought and felt otherwise.

          • Susan says:

            Just admit that you hate females and get lost.

          • Shanae B says:

            You don’t seem to know anything

          • Susan says:

            You are not fooling anyone, you hate women period.

          • Shanae B says:

            How do you actually not?

          • Shanae B says:

            I hate feminism not women. Feminism hates women.

          • Shanae B says:

            I don’t, feminism does.

      • Susan says:

        I know there are many churches that still keep women under the boot of men.

    • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

      I don’t understand how it is that true manhood requires women to be “less than” men in vocation or calling. That sounds more like ego… than true manhood. Jesus Christ wasn’t “threatened” by women. And Jesus felt no need to limit women in any way to “make men feel big about themselves” so they could “feel like men!”.

      A man threatened by the vocation and calling and giftedness of a woman: isn’t mature.

  100. Hannah B says:

    Just want to clear something up: Kristen and Bethany constantly say in their blog posts and even in their book that women and men are PURPOSELY DIFFERENT, BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT. They are not saying that women are inferior to men, they are not condoning abuse or slavery, and they are not being ignorant. They know that there is a God-given purpose for both men and women, but that those purposes are different. They are not putting down women, just lovingly stating their opinion. We don’t go around bashing your beliefs and calling you ignorant or stupid if you state that you’re an Atheist. It is THEIR decision what to believe. They are grown adults who can believe and say what they want, and they choose to speak it in LOVE. Stop being rude to someone who is not being rude and condescending to you, PLEASE. God bless.

  101. Michelle Jiran says:

    I loved this article! It made me deeply proud as a feminist and non-christian. Feminism supports women doing what makes them fulfilled,either following a religious “blue -print” or obliterating gender roles.

    • Hannah B says:

      Hey, Michelle! While I am a Christian and not sure how I feel about feminism yet, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate how you kept your comment in a positive light and didn’t bash the character or worth of anyone who agrees with or wrote this article. It’s really encouraging to see that you didn’t tell anyone that they were toxic or crazy or should be “removed from society” or something to that effect, just because they aren’t feminists. Thanks for respecting the views of others and yourself, it’s really nice to see; and I hope we all can learn to handle situations like this kindly like you did. ❤️❤️

  102. Andrew Chimasa says:

    Great article guys. Very insightful

  103. Enjolras says:

    Moreover it is a shame, when there are intelligent girls (and yes there are many girls who are more intelligent than their fathers or husbands) who don’t get an education just because men are jealous and insecure and want women to stay ignorant and illiterate, just so that they can dominate and abuse them further, whilst the women don’t even have a chance to defend themselves, simply because they lack education.

    • Shanae B says:

      That’s a pretty spiteful remark. Education doesn’t equal intelligence. Education or intelligence doesn’t necessarily garrantee a woman (you or any person) self-defense either. Many people with great wisdom only have a high school diploma. Sometimes very big mistakes are made by people with masters degrees and PHD’s. Just think of the few rare surgeons who are over tired or drunk who end up leaving a surgical utensil in a paitent or cut a nerve or something.

      • Saltasaurus says:

        That doesn’t change the fact that women (or any marginalized group) being denied the same kind of education as men historically made it much harder for them to get ahead in the world and fight for equal rights. Is it not a bad thing that until pretty recently half the population was discouraged or straight up barred from getting the same level of education as the other? Going to college doesn’t make you a perfect human being who can do no wrong but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. Also what does education have to do with self defense. There are classes where you can educate yourself on self defense, Shanae.

        • Chanmi Kim says:

          Well the things is, lack of education in certian parts of the world is not just an issue of gender inequality, but mainly political. Their political and even the economical situation doesn’t allow them to receive education. You can’t say that women are unable to receive proper education JUST because of men’s incompetency or jealousy–the whole idea of women getting education or not is funny because feminists tend to focus on “women” only. Yet, there are the same amount of children, men, disabled, poor, weak, who are unable to receive the same kind of education.

          • Saltasaurus says:

            Hey dude you might wanna sit down for this one it’s a pretty complex concept to grasp and it’s probably gonna blow your mind but what if I told you that being a feminist and discussing issues pertaining to gender equality in the comment section of an article about feminism doesn’t mean someone isn’t aware of or doesn’t care about injustices faced by other marginalized groups.

            I didn’t mention the barriers blocking people of certain races/socioeconomic backgrounds/etc. because, this is where it gets a little complicated, That’s Not What We’re Talking About Right Now. While different factors certainly intersect when it comes to this kind of thing, (e.g. a family does not have enough money to send all their children to school, the boys continue school while the girls are married off to husbands much older than them) sexism is still one of those factors. There’s something called intersectional feminism, you might want to look it up if you’re actually concerned about these kinds of problems and weren’t just naming other marginalized groups in an attempt to derail a conversation specifically about women’s rights. 🙂

  104. kam Takon says:

    I totally agree, feminism is anti-God

    • Wes P says:

      It does seem the underlying philosophy of feminism runs counter to Christianity. If feminism was merely the advocacy for equal rights for men and women, I would likely be able to be in full agreement with it, as a Christian.

      • Susan says:

        Feminism is about equal rights. Why do you not think that women should have equal rights!!! Were do your get your misinformation?

        • Wes P says:

          “Why do you not think that women should have equal rights!”

          You missed this part:

          “If feminism was merely the advocacy for equal rights for men and women, I would likely be able to be in full agreement with it'”

          I’m around feminism ALL THE TIME. Simply put, you need to be more honest about the movement. It’s not about equal rights. Or perhaps you redefine “equal rights” just as so many other words are redefined these days.

    • Susan says:

      Right equality is anti-God. Women need to bow down to their male masters. So you are female hating ashole.

    • Susan says:

      I know allah hates women is that why you do. God however does not hate women.

  105. Lily.B says:

    Great article, thank you! I was just wondering, then, as a university student… How am I expected to plan for supporting myself if I do not marry? How am I being responsible if I do not plan a vocation for myself?

  106. Elizabeth says:

    This entire “article” (opinion piece) is ill informed, and damaging to women and girls. You have some how confused the idea of equality with sameness. You can be equal with someone and still acknowledge differences. When Christian Feminist bring up the equality topic they are not saying that men and women have to be the same. Although I do think women are highly under valued and under utilized in Christian cutler. It saddens me that you would spread this type of ignorance and mis-education and put Gods name on it. Femenism is needed, it is not poison, it is not evil for me to not want my daughters to grow up in a world where they have to worry about being sexually assaulted in the work place, or not believed when something of that nature happens. Where women fear walking to their cars at night knowing to hold their keys in-between their finger in case someone attacks. I don’t want my daughters to have to know how to causally laugh off a sexual comment from a stranger and know the feeling of disgust and often times fear that comes in those situation. I don’t want my daughters to have to fight to be heard in meetings while men causally talk over them. I don’t want them to be told that their worth and value comes from their beauty and that they need to maintain some sort of standard to be seen. This is something that is largely fed to girls and women on a day to day biases by society. Women go into engineering and fields of science and far far lower rates than men not because they aren’t smart or capable but because society has largely and exclusively catered to men an boys being encouraged into those fields. You are entitled to your opinions but how dare you tell me that because I believe in equality, I am not fully following my Lord. How dare you compare feminists to Staten and say that to ask for all of these things to stop in our society is evil. This is an opinion and not Biblical truth. There are so many examples of women taking charge and stepping out in the Bible (Ruth, Esther, Deborah, ext.). Jesus was radically different in the way he respected and treated women at that time. My ideas as a Christian feminist are not ill-informed or uneducated. I have taken classes and read books, and have also studied the Bible and Jesus’s actions. And my conclusions have lead me to my current beliefs so please stop labeling all Christian Feminists and uneducated “tricked” girls. I know how to use my brain.

    • Shanae B says:

      I’m afraid you’re actually the one with the wrong view. Sorry for whatever happened to you or someone you know that lead you to this belief. The only thing you are correct in is that Jesus was radical! He came to set things in the world upright again after Satan through sin set it upside down. Feminism started with Eve being tempted to try to be like God (Genesis 3:4-6). Esther was earged to go before the king by her cousin (a man by the way) and prayed and fasted alongside men and woman for a few days before she did. Ruth was known for not chasing after men (Ruth 3:10) which she could have done. Deborah only “stepped up” if she had to or God told her to (Judges 4:8-10). I think it would be beneficial for you to study the Bible some more.

      • Bobhob says:

        Why should we listen to the bible? The bible was written not by God himself, but by a collection of people who heard God and decided to interpret on his behalf. It’s used to spread God’s word but because it wasn’t written by God himself, the ideas cannot come out the same way they were meant to be used. In fact, the only people educated in biblical times were boys and men and they were the ones who penned the bible. Then, it was translated and transcripted hundreds of times by monks and translators. If the bible is all correct, then people must have been much smarter back then than now. Everyone makes mistakes, back then and now in the present, words can be interpreted incorrectly. Even if the original intent was for good, the words can mean something entirely different to the listener and a good thing could end up being a bad thing. How can we trust something that’s not written with proper intent?

        • Shanae B says:

          Yes men penned the Bible, yet it’s still the inspired word of God. The people who transcribed and translated the Bible had to do intense language studies to do so. You seem very bias and unknowledgeable on this particular subject.

    • Rachel Nichols says:

      Perhaps egalitarian is a better word for your belief system. I am somewhere between the egalitarian and complementarian camps myself.

      According to feminist articles I have read, in order to qualify as a bono fide feminist you have to support the wholesale murder of infants, “anything goes” sexual behavior, and intense hatred and envy toward men for their “male privilege.” Murder, unchastity, and coveting are all unbibical.

      After reading these feminist articles I thought, “No way am I teaming up with these women!”

  107. Anna says:

    I used to be an anti-feminist. I was also an atheist. I thought only stupid, SJWs followed feminism, but really, I’ve realized they’ve just given it a bad name. The thing is, the type of feminists you’re talking about aren’t real feminists if they shame women for choosing God, or for preferring traditional gender roles. Feminism fights for CHOICE. It’s abouy giving women a choice on how they want to live their life. I don’t see why you can’t follow Jesus and believe that there’s more than one way to be a woman. And if you think “there is only one way! It’s GOD’S way!” well, if God created us as special individuals at birth, that would mean every woman has her own special unique path to womanhood.

    • Shanae B says:

      It isn’t a bad name feminist are like that. I’m sorry you feel like God brought you to feminism. God wants all His people to follow His lead not their choices of what “unique path” to take.

      • Susan says:

        Wow, you really do think women are the lowest creatures on the planet and that God even hates us unless we are on our knees worshiping and slaving for our male master. Get real. If you hate women I could care less, but most women think that they are humans made in the image of God. They were given brains and talents to use not lose. You are pathetic. I pray you do not have children and teach them that men are Gods and women are lessor beings created to serve your male gods. God has an issue with women haters by the way.

        • Shanae B says:

          I don’t think that or believe that. The Bible doesn’t relay that at all, and I’ve studied scripture for more than two decades; as well as continue to do so. Though I’m not as much of a Bible scholar as is needed in these days and times. You’re being hateful. Just because you got abused by a false man of God doesn’t mean you understand such things.

    • Elisse Tirian says:

      I agree with most of that. Like, God gave everyone choice and some choices are bad 😛
      But I totally agree that God leads different women to serve him in different ways.
      I know females who most definitely should not be a traditional housewife and mother because they are not suited to that, they are however amazing at various “traditional” male gender roles.
      God still works through them and loves and guides them.
      And personally I believe that God works through every single person, regardless of their gender or role

  108. Rachel Nichols says:

    I consider myself a WAF or Woman Against Feminism. Saying we are equal to men is certainly true but equal does not equal same. Which is “superior” my arms or my legs? I wouldn’t like lose either one.

    • Wanda McDonald says:

      FYI Feminism does not stand for the superiority of anyone. It stands for equal liberty, representation, rights and authority over ones life, DESPITE differences. Putting one gender above the other in hierarchy has been the single greatest crime against any one group of human beings…larger than slavery against blacks, casteism in India, etc because it affects HALF the human race. Men under the assumption of God ordained superiority and authority have restricted women’s voices, women’s liberty, women’s choice over their own fertility and health care, and stomped out their authority in marriage. Men have used it as a reason for abuse, and controlling of women. This has a huge effect in society because it trickles down to restricted education (why educate girls if their place is locked in the home), restricted health care (her issues are not as important as male issues), infanticide (why have girls when boys are preferred), child brides (no choice and she becomes a servant to his family), selling girls (because hey girls are here to just ‘complete’ men), I could go on for a few pages worth actually because the evidence is seen all over the world and the more codified by God women’s subordination is, the worse off their life is. If you are against feminism, then you are FOR women’s degradation and bondage / slavery to the male gender. Some masters might be kind most are not and nearly all of them will use heir position of power to their own advantage and to the woman’s disadvantage. If given a chance to get his way. If it benefits him he will use it. The most loving husband for example can’t give up beer or his sports on tv. No mater how much you want to watch your show… as one example. The bible written by men is the single largest crime against women on this planet. Well maybe along with the Quran. Religions in general. The holy books are all written by men for men. They are not really from God.

      • Shanae B says:

        Sorry you believe what you stated here is actually true.

        • Kayla Noelle says:

          I’m sorry that you believe you are inferior to men and deserve to be oppressed and controlled. I don’t know what happened to make you think this way but it’s not what you deserved. You are a person and you will always be equal to men whether you believe it or not.

          • Shanae B says:

            Regardless of you screwed view, I’ve never been oppressed or controlled (except maybe by feminists). I’ve never seen myself of less value than a man. Unlike you I’ve never felt inferior to men. In fact (unlike you) I actually hold people in good esteem (unless they prove unwarranted of it). Men are so degraded and torn down with falseness these days by females like you, it’s disgusting. We few authentic women have to work hard to undo various damage those like you cause in regards to men and even boys nowadays. Most of the bad things that have happened in my life have been because of feministic dumbbells like you.

          • Susan says:

            Oh wow, so women need to get on their knees and allow men to rule them. Are we that stupid that low that you consider we should not have human rights. God help you.

          • Shanae B says:

            You’re the one in need of God’s help. That has never been what this means, either way. You seem to be greatly lacking in knowledge on this matter. You seem to fall into the category of those who have a wrong view of what “rights” actually are. You seem to want manipulative control over rights.

        • Susan says:

          So you believe that women are lesser beings created to serve their male masters???

          • Shanae B says:

            God created men and women to work together as a team where men are to be leaders not taskmasters. You believe that women are less than. That’s what feminism wants women to believe and feel. In turn get women to work at becoming superior to men trying to make men less than. You have terrible thinking.

      • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

        Thanks Wanda. One thing I will add: if you read the Bible and the red letters of Jesus… you will see that Jesus Christ is the best advocate for women’s rights and freedom there is. And AFTER Jesus Christ ascended: the church went downhill as men reared the ugly head of sexism AGAIN and started replacing all Jesus taught with their sexist nonsense. Because, it’s the nature of sin.

        John the Beloved stood up against Paul’s new commandments. And followed Jesus. And honored women leaders of the church; agreeing with Jesus that we need no MAN to teach us… to dominate and control us… we are all equal in Christ as equal brothers and sisters as Jesus taught.

        So, I think if you understood the Bible the way I see it: you’d see you are right about men “getting in there” and trying to pass off their own sins as “the way”. But Jesus Christ in the red letters of His own speech… is completely different and you can even line up Paul against Jesus. Paul directly disobeyed Jesus repeatedly. And the Bible leaves the record. It’s a historicity. And shows the failures of the disciples of Jesus.

  109. Nola says:

    You go on and on about men and women’s different roles, but you didn’t really bring up what they were exactly, which tells me that like many other people u say that, but u don’t really know what u r talking about, no where in the Bible does it say that there are different roles in parenthood or what jobs u have and who provides, and the submission thing is really just about both party’s being selfish. Also, all u have to do is five minutes of research to find out what all the verses that apparently saying being LGBT is bad really mean. Look up KevinGarcia on YouTube.

    • Shanae B says:

      First off have you actually read the whole bible? In particularly proverbs. Second you do know that there are many YouTube videos not to mention articles (by non-christians) that are literally about differences between men and women right?

      • Nola says:

        Yes…?? I have read the whole Bible, and Proverbs happens to be my favorite book so yes, although I don’t know why that is the book you are pointing to when we are talking about gender equality and LGBT people. Like, what does Proverbs say about those things?? I’m not saying there aren’t differences. I’m just saying that they shouldn’t have to always have a specific role because of those differences. And i’ve read through a lot, why?

        • Shanae B says:

          Reading the Bible just once through doesn’t count, you actually have to study it as well. You’re the one trying to make this all about LGBT, which until now I’ve made no mention of. However whenever sins are listed in both OT and NT homosexuality isn’t left out. Your personal feelings/views about gender roles is an actual social construct. Not the other way around like a ton of media states. I’m sorry for you. This blog isn’t controlling or forcing you are anyone else to believe or add here to what the Bible say, they’re only speaking truthfully about it. If you’re not able to handle truth then don’t bother with it.

        • Shanae B says:

          Proverbs has many verses where men and women are mentioned together, which is what I’m referring to there. You’re the one making things all about LGTB. Proverbs doesn’t contain a direct list of sins. However in both the OT and NT homosexuality isn’t left out. In regards to articles on this particular site about gender roles try typing it in their search bar. Yet with how you seem to think you’ll misconstrue things before reading it.

  110. Ann says:

    Of course you believe men are meant to be primary leaders, initiators (what does that even mean?) and providers based on the Bible, considering the individuals who wrote it were men living in a culture where marriage constituted the exchange of property. Certainly if I was buying a cow I would have to initiate the purchase, lead the cow and provide for the cow… it’s my property and incapable of living in the context I have established for it without guidance. Unfortunately, pre-fall God establishes little of a hierarchy outside of “helpmeet” which is a word that you seem intent on ignoring the varying translations of. Hierarchy is established when sin enters the world and God essentially punishes women with a husband that will “rule” over her. At no point prior were Adam and Eve existing in a hierarchical relationship. It’s a result of sin. Furthermore, “submission” to your husband is a pretty dodgy thing to advocate for unless you also suggest that we should bring back slavery as something God ordained because in that same passage Paul is telling slaves to submit to their masters. Let’s bring that back and slap “biblical race roles” on it and see how “rebellious” and “prideful” people get. The Christian life is about submission – submission to God and others, regardless of gender. We obviously seem comfortable eliminating aspects of scripture when they appear unjust (see “slavery”) so why are you so opposed to the unjustness of gender inequality? Don’t disrespect your ancestors, the women who came before you, with this poorly theorized fluff piece. If you don’t like feminism then submit yourself to a world where domestic abuse is legal, where if a man beats you he maintains custody of your children, where spousal rape is not a crime, where you can’t vote, where you’re not legally defined as a “person”, where your legal testimony is consider half that of a man, where you are barred from attending school and university. My 65 year old grandmother was pulled from school at 14 to “care for the men” – did that happen to you? No? (see “feminism”.)

    • karlmarxsux says:

      And you proved his point again.This never gets old !!!!!!

    • karlmarxsux says:

      There is no such thing as spousal rape or any of the nonsense you say here. Everything nowadays is rape rape rape .Cry wolf some more . How can there be spousal rape when women are just as equal and strong as a man ? You are applying 21st century black magic psychology snake oil to problems in which the state has no business . What part did you have in all of this ??? .Its always the spousal abusers fault and never yours right ? Women never want to take responsibility.They hate it . Feminism is the most brilliant victim factory ever created by man.Women have become weaponized and wicked.This article is brilliant.Remember.No matter what you do ,no matter how much money you spend, no matter who you known matter how much noise you make and problems you cause humanity,You will never be equal to a man its scientifically and biblically impossible.

    • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

      Thank you! The feminists paid a price FOR OUR FREEDOM!! In standing up for Jesus. And how Jesus gave us equality and rights and freedom! 🙂

      You know, Jesus who told the male disciples who wanted to suppress the ministry of a woman to, “Leave the woman alone”.

      Jesus is the Best! 🙂

  111. Carrie says:

    I have a friend who has a daughter who wanted to study medicine. Drawing on her “Christian views” my friend discouraged her on the basis that her primary role should be as a mother and wife- a “help mate” to her husband. Sure, she could study something if she wanted to, but select something that wouldn’t take her away from family life- as that is a woman’s primary function. I am also a Christian (and I only work part time out of CHOICE so I can be with my kids- CHOICE being the key word) but this point of view HORRIFIED me. What if her daughter never got married? Never had children? What if her daughter was destined to save lives and discover a cure for AIDS? But instead she’s been encouraged to stay home and be a support to her husband. I hear echoes of my friends opinion in this article and I cannot get on board with it at all. I have so much more to say but will end by pointing out you’re overlooking powerful women in the Bible like Lydia who were at the forefront of their own business empires. They weren’t at home in a primarily “helpmate” role. Please be careful about encouraging women to be nothing but “helpers” to their husbands.

    • Kayla Noelle says:

      The worst part is that you would NEVER see these women practicing what they preach to other women. They could never stop pursuing their careers or publishing books or sharing their opinions and thoughts on youtube all things that a perfect biblical woman would never be allowed to do.

      • V says:

        Actually yes they would.
        Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
        Titus 2:3‭-‬5 ESV
        They are teaching younger women/girls so… May want to rethink that one..

        • Susan says:

          Why be submissive to a human who is not smarter not wiser and not a lesser being. I only bow down to Jesus not a man. Are you insane???

          • V says:

            I don’t bow down to anyone except to the Lord. Your very good at putting men down… as a so called Christian you would be more Christ like and not so mean.

          • Susan says:

            You are the one who put “girls and women” into a small box to suit you a man???? I always get a kick out of men that say women are to be submissive and forget that men are to be be submissive to their wives???

          • Rachel Nichols says:

            I never married. But I submit to my church leaders, my boss, and the government. All imperfect, fallible human authorities. Men do that too.

      • Susan says:

        Right, men practising what they preach. Make me a sandwich and do not speak until I your master allows it. You honestly think that Jesus hated women the way you seem to do.

        • karlmarxsux says:

          This shows your blithering ignorance.You know nothing about the bible, or how great our society used to be.You make your own rules.Your arrogance supersedes your ignorance followed by your bigotry.I come across your type all the time.My mother is 93 ran our family business and didn’t need feminism.The women who denounced this pollution were tough as nails, real women who knew their place on society and never complained ,.They had respect for others ,worked hard then earned the respect of others.You want it handed to you .You demand respect without earning it.You are spoiled rotten and ungrateful.The Men in WW2 did not fight for you.You are precisely what this article is about .

    • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

      The Proverbs 31 woman is, well, a feminist. She was extremely industrious and a business owner.

  112. Nola says:

    Shanae B,
    1. Yes, I have read the whole Bible, especially Proverbs as that is one of my favorite books, however.
    , I do find it odd that proverbs is the book you are bringing up as that is not a book that ppl usually use to cinema feminists and gay ppl.
    2. I’m not saying that there aren’t oblivious physicals differences (boobs, different chromosomes, different genitalia, different body shapes, etc) however that fact that I have boobs and an hourglass figure doesn’t mean that I can’t have a job, be a provider, be a leader, or that I have to obey my husband.
    3. I have read many articles on this site, I don’t know what your point is.

  113. Mak says:

    Although I respect your opinion, I’m really sorry to see that you feel this way. As a feminist and Christian, I believe the two sets of beliefs are in fact compatible. The feminist movement was not actually built on prideful rejection of God. In fact, I believe that feminism has very little to do with the Bible. Most feminists believe in empowering women in the face of centuries of repression. They believe in giving women the ABILITY TO CHOOSE their path, whether that be traditional gender roles or not. Feminism was not built of the sins of Satan, but the sins of man. Feminism has taught women that it is ok to not want to follow traditional gender roles. I find it hard to believe that God looks down upon the female doctor who has saved thousands of lives just because she never married or had a child. Just one girl’s opinion

    • Shanae B says:

      You’re really contradicting yourself.

      • Mak says:

        How so?

        • Shanae B says:

          You make inaccurate statements about feminism then call yourself a Christian feminist. Feminist (if not more so “christian” one’s) are triggered, offended, self-victimized, self-degraded, self-disempowered persons who think and feel like they’re actually the opposite. As followers of Christ we should know that we’re free in Him and that true power comes from Him alone and not the world.

          • Mak says:

            Ok first of all the term “inaccurate” only applies to facts. My opinion cannot be “inaccurate”- it can be not supported but certainly not inaccurate. Second of all your statements are so incredibly biased and ill informed I’m gonna scream so bye. You obviously hate all feminists and I’m not going to change that, but for everyone else’s sake please stop making statements about how terrible feminism is because you clearly have based your opinion off a couple abrasive feminists and refuse to believe that they could be anything different. You are very ignorant

          • Shanae B says:

            If feminism was actually like you Clame than your reply back to me would have baring. You’re the one who needs to get informed.

          • Mak says:

            What are you even talking about

          • Shanae B says:


  114. jess k says:

    I would like just for the record to state that abortion is not equivalent to murder. You can’t murder something that was never alive. That is all

  115. Marielle says:

    I want to hear your opinion in my case. Im an autistic woman i am not social, i dont understand woman, i dont understand many things woman do. I lile to work is gives me rest. The sound of a child makes me nervous. I would never want childeren, i would even wont trust myself. I can hlget really angry of to much noice. I start slapping myself, and can even want to harm ithers. I have really no idea how biblical womanhood should go for me. Even i want to be the woman the bible describes i just cant. I feel hopeless, in between the role of man and woman. I just read so many stuff of sites like these, and it just makes me more crazy, where should my life go..

    • Shanae B says:

      Thanks for your openness, this is a good site to get biblical information on the topic of womanhood! My youngest sister is autistic but has few words so it’s difficult for her to communicate what she does and doesn’t understand about anything. My sister also has times where she hits herself or others, so I have some understanding of that! I hope you find what you’re looking for and that you can grow closer to God and His way for you!

  116. Bleu says:

    I find this article problematic because it implies that the fulfillment of women is to be a Mother and Wife, a housewife basically. The problem with this is that it’s limiting. Women should simply be seen as humans with the same rights to grow, learn, and realize their full potential. Feminists do not want to BE men! Simply to have the same opportunities as men do. However, it seems that this pervasive and self perpetuating “Women are best at being housewives,” logic won’t go away. SO, please stop helping to perpetuate it!

    • Kayla Noelle says:

      These women are gigantic hypocrites that’s why. If they really followed their own beliefs which they insist on forcing onto other women they would not have this blog, or a youtube channel, or have written books or have any business whatsoever because even having opinions about the bible that have not been fed to them by their husbands is a HUGE biblical sin for women. Kristin and Bethany want to have their own businesses and publish their own thoughts constantly (all things that directly disobey women’s role the bible) and enjoy all the opportunities and freedoms that feminism has given them all while encouraging other women to limit themselves and embrace oppression and reject their own natural personalities and passions in life. ALL THE WHILE THEY LAUGH AND PURSUE CAREERS AND SPEAK THEIR MINDS FREELY. Acting superior to other women all while stomping all over the bibles rules for women themselves DAILY. It’s disgusting and cruel hearted and extremely hypocritical.

      • V says:

        You obviously don’t know who your speaking of. Kristen and Bethany are very much involved in their home and they are allowed to teach younger women, would you like me to show you? Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
        Titus 2:3‭-‬5 ESV
        They are teaching younger women /girls.
        They aren’t pursuing careers, they are doing something in their homes and have their family’s full approval because they tend to their family’s before their others stuff.
        You can publish books (being a woman) as long as it’s not directed towards men, they are teaching younger women which is allowed.
        Would you like to give an argument that actually has true facts and not your own judgemental words? Please know where your finding your facts to.

        • Shanae B says:

          I totally agree with you Kayla!

          • Lilly Shyree says:

            I very much agree with V! Bethany and Kristen are living out what Titus 2 talks about: honor you husband, disciple other woman, be hospitable, etc. Do you watch the stories they have on their Instagram, Kayla? They are always opening their homes, spending time with their husbands, and being homemakers, while yet being bold women of the gospel. They aren’t against college or a woman getting a job. They are for Biblical womanhood! Biblical womanhood isn’t about a list of rules but it’s about living as a girl who nourishes the home, serves others, and loves the Lord with a whole heart!

        • Shanae B says:

          I totally agree with you Kayla!

          • V says:

            I’m litterly super confused Shanae B…… how could or do you agree with her?

          • Shanae B says:

            Because I believe that. The fact that you’re confused really states your mentality. I personally really hate feminism. It has never supported me and has always attacked me in my femininity, modesty, in not hating men and babies, wanting to be a wife and mother, how I was raised, how many siblings I have, having my self employed business instead of a corporate career, etc. I’ve chosen to live in the Lord and according to the Bible, not feminism. If that offends you, maybe you needed it.

          • V says:

            Shanae… I’m the one defending Girl defined and modesty! Kayla Noelle, is putting them down. I don’t see where you got mixed up…

          • Shanae B says:

            Somehow I switched names on the comments. I thought her comments were yours and your comments hers. That was my mistake. I am so very sorry V. This obviously is a very touchy topic for me, that I got confused. Thank you for pressing into this!

          • Susan says:

            Be honest you hate women that have a voice and actually think that they are your equal. The nerve of some women.

          • Shanae B says:

            I don’t hate women, feminism does. The sooner you get a reality check the better. Feminism isn’t about equality. I’m 30 years old now and feminism has attacked me in some way or other for most of my life. I was conceived out of wedlock to teenage parents and my mom didn’t choice me. How dare I. I’m one of just five children, how dare I. I don’t cringe at marriage and motherhood. My job isn’t a high corporate compete with men and falsely complain about wage gap job. I don’t rag on men. Nor am I oppressed by men. I don’t blame men for difficulties in my life. I’m saving myself for marriage and don’t engage in hook up culture. Just to name a few, ma’am.

        • Susan says:

          Wow so MEN “allow” women to teach girls how to be good little male slaves. WOW GIVE ME a break. We are you equal in intelligence and not your underlings who need to be “allowed” to do only that which you the master approve. You sound evil and I would not be surprised that you are a wife beater.

    • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

      These “anti-feminists” apparently take the position that Martha was “the ideal woman”; and that Mary needed to be corrected for wrongly sitting at the feet of Jesus as an equal disciple with the men (she should have been in the kitchen with Martha! And waiting on those men hand and foot instead!) 🙂

      Anti-feminist Christians… basically turn the truth upside down. Extolling Martha; condemning Mary.

  117. Dennis Gannon says:

    Feminist ignore the Bible. Well, sorry, there is only one universe, God’s universe. His rules and roles are outlined in the Bible. He has made the man Jesus Lord. And Jesus will rule until all submit to him, then Jesus will turn the Kingdom back to the Father.
    The wicked will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire. And it seems feminist are EAGER to jump into that lake.

    • Susan says:

      We get it you only like women on their knees serving you their master. I think God does not hate women when they use their God given talents and God given brilliant brains. I feel sorry for your poor slave of a wife, I can imagine what you would do if she got off her knees and stood tall. Scary.

  118. Lilly Shyree says:

    Wow. This is SO good! I needed this. I have been a little wrestling with some of this because I know of people who would say they are feminists and are Christians. I think this goes into good detail to what it is. Thank you so much for this!! <3333

    • Susan says:

      I know imagine women thinking that they are equals in the eyes of God. What fools. We all know that women are not under Jesus only men are women are under male gods. I would not be surprised that animals are above women in this women hating mind set.

  119. Brian Cathy Gray says:

    Thank you this is great! We are full time missionaries and coaches for the Adventures in Missions World Race GAP Year. One of our male teams composed of guys between 18-21 just informed us that they recently learned that God is a feminist. Thank you for providing a biblical response with the authority and perspective of a daughter of the most high God.

  120. Shanae B says:

    Thanks! I’d have to be bashed on the head and get amnesia or something like that to have my mind changed on this topic. Sorry for my misconstruement. You have a blessed day! 🙂

  121. Craig Jackson says:

    Thank-you for this site. It is a welcome breath of fresh air.

    I have been very very very hurt by feminism. Often men do not communicate how much feminism utterly DESTROYS their lives. i mean destroys and ruins their lives. Like their lives INSIDE are a village full of destroyed houses and dead bones.

    What God intended was to build spiritual communities, and he started with a marriage. A marriage is not a physical entity, it is a spiritual one. A community is not a physical entity it is a spiritual one.
    God is building the bride of Christ, one spiritual cell at a time. In human terms, this is the ultimate spiritual entity, the BRIDE OF CHRIST.

    If one insists on rights for each physical individual one is destroying spiritual entities.

    It is clear how God has created women. They are wonderful creations, to be TREASURED and ADMIRED. Women have so many AMAZING abilities that I do not have! I say this with every fibre of my being. Men desperately need to laud and admire what God has created, and in this way they are worshipping Him.

    But God has created women to fit into a certain place, just as he has also made men to fit into a certain place. When we start to demand more than we are designed for, we hurt and ultimately destroy what God has intended.

    Frankly, I am afraid of going against God. It is a useless and a very VERY stupid thing to do, and this is what feminism is doing. It is a lie of the enemy. It creates unhappiness in women and utter misery in men.

    • Better then no one says:


      • Susan says:

        So you also think that women are the underlings of men? Wow you people are scary. If I thought that God hated women the way you do I would not be Christian. Oh I know you will come back equal but different, so how is obeying a man equal??? How is men are under Jesus, but lowly women are not they are under their male masters to low to be under Jesus, equal? The Bible was written by men who had a very lowely view of women.

    • Susan says:

      So God created women to fit into a certain place?? Would that place by chance be serving you and obeying you? Would that mean women have to toss their brilliant brains out since their brains and talents would not serve you, their master. If I thought that God hated women that much, I would not be Christian. So women are “wonderful creatures” you mean like dogs and cats? So God did not give women brains or minds only orders to obey their male masters. You are a very scary person and you like many men like you love to say how wonderful women are as long as they know “their place”, the underlings of men. Men are always so eager to jump on the male bandwagon of superiority, I wonder why, could it be your inflated ego. You and most men seem to forget that the Bible was written by men and their lowly view of women is reflected in many places. I bet you equate women with children that need to be told what to do and how to do it and when to do it. Get over yourself.

      • disqus_XXFrkwU53m says:


        My response is not meant as an attack on you. Just simply some thoughts of mine as I understand scripture.

        You may not realize it, but Christianity was liberating to women, since it actually said men and women were equal in God’s eyes. Paul said that in Christ, there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, etc. That’s radical thinking. Women in that day and age were literally possessions, and had no equality with men. Probably even the most fair and enlightened man prior to Christ didn’t think of women on equal footing with men.

        You say you only submit to Jesus. So, as a female Christian, what are your thoughts on Mark 20:25-26,
        But Jesus called them aside and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. 26 It shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave—…

        Jesus says some radical things. How does that square with “asserting my rights” as a female? How does that square with “asserting my rights” as a male? In reality, we “have no rights” when it comes to being a Christian.

        Yes, the NT says for wives to “submit to their husbands”, which certainly is Biblical, and if you don’t believe/practice it, you are disobeying what God wants in a marriage. But it also calls “Husbands love your wives as Christ loved His church and gave His life for her.” Interestingly, a women isn’t called to die for her husband, but a husband is called to lay down his life if necessary. If a husband doesn’t do this, he is disobeying God. And further it says, “submit to one another”, which is the attitude of the heart which concerns itself more with the other person’s needs than with their own. That’s what Jesus says here. Think on it. This is truly very, very difficult to put into practice, both from the male side, and the female side. Since it takes very much Christ likeness to do it.

        Let’s go into what male leadership is supposed to be like. Men are not called by God to be the rulers of their family, while wives cower and wait on them hand and foot. No, they are called to be servant leaders, as Christ was. What did Christ do? He, who was equal to God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but took on the form of a SERVANT. Did you hear that? God literally became a SERVANT to us! That should blow your mind. Could you imagine if President Obama or President Trump came to your house, and cleaned it himself, cooked dinner, made the beds, mowed the grass, took care of you when you were sick, etc? And they refused your help but said they wanted to serve you.

        If God did that, who are any of us to shrink from what God asks us to do in His word? IMHO, it’s really the height of arrogance to not obey God when He humbled Himself so much more than He is asking us to humble ourselves.

        A new command I give you, that you love one another, as I have loved you. By this the world will know you are my disciples. We submit to one another out of love for each other, and especially because of our love for the Lord.

        I would say this. If a husbands does not love his wife and take care of his, he is not really submitting to the Lord. And if a wife doesn’t not submit (and respect) her husband, then she is not really submitted to the Lord. This is because the Lord gave both of these commands. And He said, “If you love me, you will keep my commands.” These are difficult words truly.

        I wish you the best, and that the Holy Spirit will guide you into ALL truth.

      • Rachel Nichols says:

        Craig didn’t say that. Yes, SOME men are scared of intelligent women and don’t treat their wives lovingly or respectfully. Many do though. Why assume the worst?

      • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

        Thank you, Susan! 🙂

    • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

      I think that religious sexism opposes the inward leading of the Holy Spirit in women… seeking to hold women down under the flesh of men so that men can feed their egos at the expense of women.

      Christian women are free to rise in Christ to do all they are moved and equipped to do. And that is their liberty.

      I don’t see Christian women moving to be all God made them to be free of arbitrary limits set by men… as a bad thing.

      Men who try to define a “woman’s place” are not honoring God’s place.

  122. Susan says:

    So God created women to be the underlings of men. Self hate at it’s finest and an insult to God who women gave great brains, talents and souls. You are not children “us girls” please. I love being female and that does not mean I am nothing but a servant to a male master. I only serve Jesus not some flawed human.

    • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

      Paul’s teaching was in direct contradiction to Jesus Christ. Thankfully, Jesus Christ commanded that no man rise over the body as a master, teacher, and father. Paul declared himself a father… and disobeyed Jesus Christ in many ways organizing the church in religious sexism and the abuse and degradation of women. So, we know that these teachings came from his flesh.

      We know that head coverings are not of Christ.

      Jesus Christ is the covering of all those who follow Him.

      • basromd says:

        So Philadelphia Prayer to make sure we are on the same level playing field, is all scripture divinely inspired? can we at least agree on that? If not who decides what is the Word of the Lord?

        • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

          Of course. Please read this scripture: And Samson saw an harlot and went in unto Her.

          Are we to build doctrine from the life and example of sinful men and their deeds as the New Testament Church? IT’s, is Jesus our Master and the Holy Spirit our Teacher? Teaching Christians to observe the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ alone is the extent of the Great Commission.

          If Mohammed came later, would you follow him instead of Jesus? Or his kissing cousin, Pope Paul?

      • Shanae B says:

        You supremely don’t know scripture do you. Try thinking next time!

        • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

          Thinking? I think when I read scripture. And, I think of JESUS!! Which gives me a CREEPOMETER that detects: religious creeps.

          CREEPOMETER test!!
          1. Paul calls believers “sons”.
          2. Paul declares himself the fairest of 10,000.
          3. Paul declares himself the “holy father”.
          4. Paul says he is the one who begets children of God.
          5. Paul beseeches everyone to follow HIM! (Not Jesus.)
          6. Paul sends “religious muscle” of Timothy to pull the Corinthians “into Roman Catholic line!”
          7. Paul wants Timothy to remind the church of Corinth of HIS WAYS.
          8. And Paul teaches ALL OF THE ABOVE!! EVERY WHERE!! IN EVERY CHURCH!!



          SHOULD OCCUR!! NOW!! 🙂

          1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

          • Shanae B says:

            Your list of things are inaccurate and sewed up. As for the sons thing that was because he was addressing the leaders which were men. Your comment makes it look like you don’t read any scripture really at all. As for the thinking I was referring to before you post, not during reading.

          • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

            Reading compression hearing Jesus test:

            Jesus commands call no man, father, teacher, master. Jesus commands no one is to establish chief seats of the Pharisees above other believers issuing new commandments, ordinances, traditions, and instructions exercising authority upon other believers.

            Paul does all of the above claiming a spiritual experience authorizes him to replace that teaching with himself and his own teaching.

            Is that right?

          • Shanae B says:

            In some translations of the Bible they use children instead of sons, however some Ancient Greek words are translated as the same word in English. Also Peter confirmed that Paul’s experience was authentic and from God! If you actually have studied the Bible and language translations you’d know such sir.

          • Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

            Saul of Tarsus saw Jesus on the Road to Damascus and was struck blind not knowing who JESUS is: identically as Elymas the sorcerer; child of the devil.

  123. Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

    This is a very excellent reason why so many of us good men are still single now as i speak because of Feminism. And many of these very pathetic loser women are just real men haters altogether now which makes it very sad how the women of today have really changed from the old days unfortunately. Most women back then were certainly the very complete opposite of today and real ladies as well, and that is why meeting a real good woman in those days definitely would have been much easier than today. Most women have no good manners at all now and their personality is just very horrible as well too. God forbid for many of us men just saying good morning or hello to a woman that we would really like to meet has become so very dangerous now because of their attitude problem that they have too. Feminism has certainly done a lot of damage to these women today since they really think that all of us men are rotten now too. But there are many of us very good men out there by the way, but most of you women are just too stupid to know that. It is very obvious why so many men are now going MGTOW today which is a real lifesaver for many of us men since most women are just too very dangerous today to get involved with.

    • Shanae B says:

      I know it’s hard to believe, but there are still good nonfemanist women around, we’re just very very few. I don’t agree with the MGTOW life, but I totally understand why many men do it. I’m sorry for whatever feminists have done to or have treated you like.

      • Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

        And i am a very good man by the way that really hates to be single and alone, especially when so many other men and women are all settled down which makes their life very complete. And a lot of what i have said with my last comment is the very truth unfortunately. And i really can’t believe how very dangerous that most women are nowadays since many of us good single men now have to be very careful of sexual harassment too. Very extremely difficult for many of us men looking to find love today since unfortunately the world has really changed and so have most of the women as well, and i know other friends going through the very same thing right now too. Now i know why our family members were very blessed and lucky meeting one another in the old days since it was a lot easier for them at that time compared to today, which now it is like trying to hit the lottery. Peace.

        • Shanae B says:

          I’m in the same boat (on the ladies end anyway). I understand that many women through feminism have done a lot of wrong and it results in some men thinking that I’m like that as well. Which super angers me. It definitely was a ton easier even a decade ago to start a relationship with someone. People are to attached to technology, politics, or hurt in some way. Those of us who live contrary to that are subject to loneliness and in some situations ridicule. I pray God leads you to find a good woman!

        • Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

          Well i always wanted to get married and have a family, had i really met the right good woman which never happened unfortunately. And if only women had been like the old days which i definitely would have been married a very long time ago since the great majority of the women back then were completely different than now. Even friends that i know are still single, and they totally agree with me. Married life always wins out compared to the single life.

    • You Nailed It says:

      You nailed it man with your comment. Been there.

    • Hannah says:

      Wow, maybe the reason no women want to date you is because you are speaking about them in a very horrible and anti-Christian way and they want a Godly who has basic decency for everyone.

      • Shanae B says:

        I’ve never been like the females he is describing, but I’ve totally had run-ins with such. He is very much speaking in a way of hurt for hurt, but unfortunately what he says is very true of a lot of females (not women) out there (even inside the church). Some people can only take a set amount of getting bashed before going off negatively. A lot of people aren’t into being descent these days sadly as well. It isn’t ok for guys to go MGTOW, but it’s still a result of feminism as a whole.

        • John Vanderveer says:

          Actually feminism isnt a cause at all, dig a little deeper and you may see, it is in fact a RESULT; simply stated of the world wars.. domestic and public spheres, not such a concern when the home or homestead was the main source of economic production and provision for most families pre industrial.. no less than requiring participation from the entire family or household that was capable regardless of age or gender..everyone’s efforts and input equally important and, necessary to sustain the families basic industrialization grew, a shift in economic production outsourced to factories. This societal change caused girls and women to be raised more than ever to not only depend on a husband for economic access, but taught to affirm the male authority affored to him by societies elite and employers..making women and children dependent on men dosnet bode well if you end up taking and demanding so many husbands, fathers, sons, and would be husbands and fathers out of the home and factories, into combat for the country..requiring months or years of their lives at a time..many coming home physically or mentally incapable of working and supporting a family, if they came back at all..were the women and children of the world with no provider supposed to just lay down and die? the fathers whom raised their daughters to be wives and mothers, dependent on men, now aged and possibly retired to support them? Only logical choice and chance for survival of the family is for the women to provide…a great number casualties leaves many positions vacant, and many women left to whims of a cut throat male dominated economic public sphere, discrimination was rife for these women desperately trying to survive and support families…equal opportunity, rights, education and pay become necessary for these women to be able to provide their families life giving necessities..hence feminism exponential growth after a decade of dealing with unequal employment opportunities and treatment..

          • Shanae B says:

            I’m not referring to the homes where the father abandoned, died, or had physical ailments that hindered him from providing. A woman stepping up to provide for her family in need isn’t feminism like they want people to believe. Try to be more thoughtful sir.

        • Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

          You certainly nailed it.

      • Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

        Even at church most women are very mean and nasty to many of us men for no reason at all when we will just try to start a conversation with them after church which doesn’t really make any sense. Most women really have very severe mental issues these days, and they can be very dangerous as well. This is why MGTOW is a real lifesaver for many of us men today since they’re very much to blame.

    • Nah I’m Gay says:

      Ah, I see. You’re one of the “nice guys”. You do realize that being nice isn’t a personality, right? It’s the expectation. If you have to say you’re a nice guy, you aren’t really that nice. I assure you that if you didn’t think such awful things about us fighting for equality, you could probably find a girlfriend. You think you’re “nice”, but you get upset when women don’t bow down and let you use them like footstools. Women don’t trust you because they can’t trust anyone. It’s likely that at least half of those women has been or will be raped in her life. Sorry, but you are so incredibly repulsing.

  124. Anonymous says:

    That is because many women nowadays are just plain very evil and such losers altogether to begin with. At least in the old days most women were real ladies and very easy to meet. That is why so many of us men are still single today since we really can’t even blame ourselves at all either.

  125. karlmarxsux says:

    Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
    A: Zero ,because she asked the man to do it !!!!!

  126. Hannah says:

    I feel that you are taking a strong stance on a topic you do not know much about. It is clear that we interrupt the Bible differently, but as a strong christian and feminist some of the points you made about feminism were just straight out wrong. Feminism is not anti-God nor anti-morality and does not specfically involve pro-lgbtq stances (though I personally do).

    God created man and woman in the garden and created Eve as Adam’s helper. Though this seems to invoke the gender roles that you hold so dear, this word used for helper is ezer ke-negdo which translates to “helper as his partner” not subordinate. This word is actually used only one more time in the Bible when describing Jesus, who is no one’s subordinate.

    Also the verse about wives submitting to their husbands is consistantly taken out of context to suit people’s own agenda, which I find very disheartening. If you read the whole section and not just the singular verse you see Ephesians 21-33 says:
    “21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.[a] 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband” This shows a true stance of equality and two-sided care for each other within marriage and the church not one sided submission.

    If the gender roles work for you that’s fine, but to force everyone into a specfic role based on gender is not what God is asking
    for from any of us. You have a large platform to reach many Christian girls, don’t let your personal bias and opinions stop you from speaking the truth.

  127. Woman says:

    Why are most of the comments agreeing with this “article” men…
    Says a lot I think

    • Huor says:

      And most of the disagreements with this article are women…
      Says a lot about how spot on it is I think.

  128. Philadelphia Prayer - Apostle says:

    Actually, I embrace Christian feminism. Because Jesus Christ did not generate “different roles” for women in the body of Christ. On the Day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit fell upon men and women equally and gave them all equal utterance in the same gifts and power. The sin of man in the fall is men desiring to rule over women and women’s desire being towards men. In other words, a basically abusive relationship dynamic of male domination and female subjagation that removed Christ from the center of the relationship. So, that the two really were no longer in one accord in bonds of love; but force and compulsion were being used by the man and the woman was being crushed into “compliance”. So, I simply don’t agree in the definition of the ideal. In the Garden of Eden before the fall, Adam and Eve were one with no disunity; thus no inequality. And all they did they did as one by inspiration of the Holy Spirit in love. To replace the work of the Holy Spirit in love with the domination of man in the degradation and abuse of a woman… is not the Christian “ideal”.

    • Shanae B says:

      I’m so very sorry you actually believe christian feminism is any different than any other feminism. Let alone a good thing or alined with the Bible. The biblical truth has never been about male being dominate but being leaders with women being on team with them in their God defined roles. I’m sorry for the abuse you got or get, but you need to retighten your screw in regards of feminism.

  129. Feminism The Real Cancer says:

    Feminism is the real cancer of our society which makes MGTOW the real cure.

  130. Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

    Now you do know that not all of us men aren’t bad at all right? It is the women of today that aren’t that nice at all to many of us men unfortunately.

  131. Nah I’m Gay says:

    I never said all men were bad. I said that people like you are awful. You act like women are supposed to bow down to you and you throw a fit when they don’t. People like you are disgusting.

  132. Hannah says:

    WOW… Women are mentally unstable and dangerous …. sounds like you should just stop talking to them…
    Crazy overgeneralization… and super offensive to women… maybe your viewpoint is the issue not the women

    Sure some women are mean but so are some men and to see yourself as an amazing person so much better than women is incredibly prideful and un Christ-like

  133. Richard Paulson says:

    I have 100% respect for the feminine in every way, which is one reason why I am 100% against feminism.

  134. Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

    I really don’t expect to have a woman Curse at me for No Reason at all when i will try to start a normal conversation with them, that really doesn’t make any sense at all. I never knew that there are so many very mentally disturbed women out there these days, and it is very scary to see these kind of women on our streets now unfortunately.

  135. Richard Paulson says:

    This reminds me of how surprised I was when going for a walk one day not long ago. A woman standing and talking with another woman at the front of a house suddenly spitefully spoke to me for no reason at all. I was just minding my own business and walking along. I didn’t say a word to her, nor replied to her rudeness and insolence. I wasn’t even staring at her. It was very strange.

    Feminism is not the liberation of women, but it is lawlessness. Women are liberated by not being feminist.

  136. Shanae B says:

    Feminism totally was what brought about mgtow. I’m so sorry for what you’ve personally been through. You’re going to greatly disagree and dislike this, yet mgtow is the male version of feminism. Both are hugely infused with hurt and hate in various degrees, and neither is a cure for anything negative at all.

  137. CW says:

    Feminism is cancer, since these women nowadays are really to blame for that one. Many more women today are just real men haters for no reason which i will never understand why they’re acting this way now. Did you women get very badly abused by men at one time to act this way? There are many of us good men that aren’t like that at all. This is why the dating scene is a real nightmare for many of us single men today trying to find love. And it is very sad how the women today have really changed for the worst of all unfortunately, when they really weren’t like this at all back in the old days. Most women were real ladies and had very good manners back then, along with a very great personality as well. It is very sad how the times have changed today for worst, especially with so many very pathetic women that are all over the place now more than ever before.

    • Shanae B says:

      Yes that’s true unfortunately. But there are a rare few of us real ladies left, as hard as it may be for you to believe. I’ve gotten attacks from feminism myself. But personally as a lady I want to say sorry that those “women” did/said to you whatever they did. But people in general are getting more pathetic as time goes on.

      • CW says:

        And many of us good single men have to be very careful of sexual harassment now more than ever since it has become very dangerous just to say good morning or hello to a woman that we would really like to meet. And to think that women back in the old days which most women back then weren’t like today at all either, which is why it was very easy meeting women in those days just like many men back then did. What a change today unfortunately since this is a very excellent reason why so many of us men are still single today because of this. Most women today are just so very evil and rotten altogether since many of us men really can’t even blame ourselves at all either, and there are many of us good men today that will just want a relationship since we do know how to treat a good woman with a lot of love, respect, and commitment as well. I am very surprised that you very much agree with me as well, now that women have really changed from the past which i know friends that are going through the very same thing right now too. Thank you for the support. Peace.

  138. Totally Agree says:

    Feminism is really to blame for so many of us men still single today.

    • Shanae B says:

      It’s keeping many women single too, and not just feminists. I’ve never been and won’t be a feminist, but men have been convinced that all women are like that. So men think I’m like that. I try in my own way to counteract the great damage from feminism. It brakes my heart when a guy is afraid to say ‘hi’ or even ‘excuse me’ because he believes any and all women are going to snap at him.

  139. Feminism Is Everywhere Today says:

    Most women nowadays just have very severe mental problems, especially today which they’re so very dangerous as well altogether when they get triggered.

    • Richard Paulson says:

      That certainly sounds credible to me. Do you think that is especially true in the western world? It appears to me that women have a very serious lack of humility and respect toward men in particular.

      I feel that even in a marriage relationship the only reason why a wife considers herself happy, is because her husband is giving her what she wants, but that if he asserts his superior right of authority, she isn’t happy, which leads me to consider it probable that a marriage according to God’s way is presently non-existent.

  140. atheist but a better christian says:

    this entire thread is deadass filled with misogynists and incels lmao

  141. atheist smarter than you says:

    god made man and woman at the same time, dumbass. go reread Genesis 1. Genesis 2 directly contradicts the equal role given to man and woman in Genesis 1, because guess what?<the bible is written by men its supposedly “divinely inspired” (as is the creation story of every other mythology ever made- christian mythology is no different) but its oral history (torah) that was transposed into text after several hundred years and hundreds of changes to the original stories. and the new testament is a joke considering not one gospel writer actually was alive when jesus was supposedly, and 2 of the gospels just plaguarize the first gospel, and only 2 of the gospels have the nativity narrative, which is already different between those two alone.

    congrats, you managed to show you dont know jackshit about the bible on the worldwide web.

    • Richard Paulson says:

      God did not make man and woman at the same time, but he made them on the same day, so you are being stupid. I am not being stupid, and I said nothing contrary to the Bible. You obviously don’t know the Bible, because the Bible does not contradict itself. And your comment shows that you are without understanding. I do know the Bible, and yet you think you are smarter as an atheist. The Bible says that the person who does not believe there is a God is a fool. So you are that fool according to the truth of the Bible. And my quoting only this proves all your words completely wrong: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.” Psalm 53:1

      • Susan says:

        We get it Richard, man is superior to women because God is a man and women are the underlings of men. I bet you think that your hatred of any women not being on their knees for their owners has nothing to do with your male ego.

  142. Anonymous says:

    Feminism is much worse than Cancer today, that is caused by women.

  143. Jan Putnam says:

    Good Job, Kristen! You not only speak the truth boldly, but you really hit the nail right on the head.

  144. Susan says:

    So what do you suggest that women become the property of men again. That women not be allowed to work or vote. That a man has the right to beat a disobedient wife???

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