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Transgenderism: Is it Possible to Change Your Gender?

By: Kristen Clark

Can a person really and truly change their gender?

To answer that question, we have to figure out exactly where gender came from in the first place. Long, long ago, before any humans walked the earth, God was there. God was there and He decided to created mankind.

With a blank slate in front of Him, He could have created any type of human species that he wanted to. He could have made multiple types of genders, or maybe even just one neutral gender. But he didn’t.

What did He do?

He created the male and the female gender.

God decided to handcraft humans that would personally reflect HIS image (Genesis 1:26). He wanted you and me to see a glimpse of who He is through our distinct gender. The male and female were created to reflect different parts of the character, nature, and image of God.

God gave us an extremely detailed account of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 because He wanted to clearly show us what He created and why.

Gender isn’t a random identity given to us by “nature.”

It isn’t an identity based on how we feel about ourselves. Gender is an identity assigned to us from the beginning of time by the God of the universe. It’s an identity given to us on purpose and for a purpose.

Before you were born, the eternal God had a good plan for your life; and that plan is built upon your God-given gender identity (Psalm 139:13-14).

God is our Creator. He is the final authority. He defines who we are, not the other way around.

No matter how many surgeries a person gets, how much makeup they wear, and how much they change their clothes, they cannot change who God created them to be.

A man born a male will always be a male, no matter what he does to his body. A woman born a female will always be a female, no matter what she does to her body.

Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital agrees. He stated, “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.”

So is it possible for a person to change their gender?

In short, no. It’s not authentically possible

Changing your physical identity does not change your gender identity. It only masks the reality of who God created you to be.

When a person tries to change their God-given sexual identity, they are saying, “I don’t care what God thinks. I’m going to define my life the way I want to. What I think and feel is truth for Me.”

Our culture is pushing us to towards embracing a self-identity rather than a Christ-identity. When you leave Christ out of the picture, corruption, distortion, and confusion will always follow (Romans 1:24-25).

As Christians, we need to respond with a healthy balance of grace, love, compassion, and truth.

The best way to help a lost and hurting person is to lovingly point them towards God’s truth. “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32). There, and only there, can any of us find order, peace, and lasting happiness.

When a person’s identity is firmly grounded in who they are in Christ, they will have no need for anything else.

Let me hear from you. Share your thoughts with me below.

  • In what ways has the transgender movement influenced your thinking?
  • Do you think it’s okay for a person to “change” their gender appearance? Why or why not?
  • If someone you loved told you they were embracing transgenderism, what would you say to them?

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251 Responses to Transgenderism: Is it Possible to Change Your Gender?

  1. Airwren says:

    Well said, Kristen! I tremble to think that is fast becoming very difficult to tell if a person has had sex-reassignment surgeries. The growth of transgender reality tv shows will, I think, have a huge negative, sinful, and confusing impact on children.

    Airwren

    • Jesusfreak17 says:

      Yeah, it really frustrates me with this and with gay couples who adopt or have kids because they think it’s all fine but they’re affecting kids for the worse. People don’t realize the huge effects their decisions make on other people. It may not seem like it will affect many people but it does!

      • Daniel says:

        Teaching kids that women have to be submissive to men, the Bible should be interpreted literally, and the LGBT+ community has an eeeeeeeevil agenda, among other things that this blog promotes, also negatively affects children. Was raised evangelical, can confirm.

        • clarawho17 (forgot my login!) says:

          Wow that’s such an old comment of mine. I don’t even believe it anymore; I’m now an ally. I’m so sorry for all the comments like this that still exist from that time of my life and for all the other stuff out there like it (ie. This entire blog). Be strong in who you are Daniel, keep fighting the fight. Maybe someday more people will come to acceptance as well.

          • L says:

            What made you in ally as you call it?

          • Daniel says:

            Holy wow! I really need to read time stamps more closely. I’m sorry for bringing up embarrassing old memories. I feel you, friend — I have a similar experience. Thank you for your encouragement. ❤️

    • Daniel says:

      Not as big of a negative impact on children that this blog will have. I was raised evangelical; I can tell you from experience that it is VERY damaging to a child. I have anxiety issues and problems with perfectionism that will last long into my adulthood because of that church environment I was raised in. I’m not hurting your kids by existing as a trans man. You’re hurting your kids by teaching them to be fearful of and hateful towards anyone who’s different. Anyone who doesn’t share the very specific, very narrow set of beliefs that you foist on them.

  2. Elizabeth Williams says:

    What’s sad is that even if they are not happy with the gender they were born with, no amount of changing it will fill that void and make them truly happy. Yes, it may feel good for a while. But it doesn’t meet the need in their heart. I totally agree with everything you said!

    • SedaJane says:

      “But it doesn’t meet the need in their heart.”

      You’re sure right about that! All it does is save their lives, or enable them to become functional human beings. Kind of like mastectomy and chemotherapy for breast cancer sufferers. They have to find happiness somewhere else – hopefully, through Christ.

  3. Belle Chamberlain says:

    In a Health and Wellness class I am taking, one of our professors mentioned that even when people get some kind of gender appearance change, it doesn’t change whether the cells in their body react to medicine like male or female cells (and they do react differently!) This can cause serious complications when a woman has had a gender-bender and goes to the doctor for certain types of illness as a man rather than a woman.

  4. CT says:

    Thank you for speaking truth, Kristen! I’m doing an online college class for psychology and it’s getting to the point where my textbook reading is so horribly wrong. It sounds right to the secular college student, but to me as a Christian, it is completely different from how God designed people to be. Sometimes I get so angry reading through this garbage because it is so far off from God’s sovereignty over individual people. Can you give me any help? It’s a requirement for my general studies, so unfortunately I have no choice but to take it.

    • Azi says:

      Side note because I’m also curious: what kind of material are you currently studying?

      • CT says:

        I just got into the chapter on personality where it talks about self-esteem. Not to mention how it talks about how we inherit different genes by evolution. And then there’s psychological disorders. Even if some of it is true, it just makes me really sad and angry at the same time how they don’t even acknowledge God as the Creator, they make no room for God’s will and instead try to reason why EVERYTHING is all manipulated by either human circumstances or chance.

        • Azi says:

          I think I see what you mean; that what we do is not given any credit to God; is that what you’re saying they’re saying? I don’t know if this is any help but there was a Christian student I knew who would pray before studying so that she could keep in mind the great things that God made through the subject. It was for a science class but maybe this could also apply to psychology. Best of luck with everything! 🙂

        • Geritude says:

          They don’t acknowledge God as the Creator because not everyone believes in God and to include religious subject in a scientific course would not just contradict the lessons being taught, but would show a bias against people with different beliefs.

    • Jennette Barnes says:

      I recently graduated from college where I took Psych 101, Bio 101, and Oceanography. I started class with similar frustrations as you have described. After much prayer, I found it best to ask God to help me see things as he does; with a loving attitude towards His creation, heartbroken over the lost that have rejected Him and try desperately to explain God’s creation without Him. This really helped me to more lovingly understand the thoughts of the lost, providing more opportunity to build relationships with people, praying for their salvation and pointing to the Truth when possible. When absurdities came up, because the people around me already knew how loving and kind AND rational and scientific -fact-based I was, it gave me more latitude to point out God’s truths.

    • thehappygirl says:

      Leanne, I know this is very late, but I felt the same way about many of my required electives classes! It was a struggle for me because I didn’t want to fail, but I didn’t want to back up on my beliefs either. By the grace of God, I (barely) passed each of those classes without backing down. I was also blessed with one very kind instructor who took my personal beliefs into consideration and I passed with an A+! Whew! I wish the textbooks would be neutral at least. If they don’t want to promote Christianity, that’s fine…. But don’t promote anything else either! God bless you sister 🙂

      • Tessa says:

        Just for others reading this, try buying a textbook at a used book store, then study it and take a CLEP test to get the credit while avoiding the worldview changing garbage!

  5. That is also my take in this issue: Psalm 139:13-16 clearly states that God knows every bit of our being even way before we were physically made. He can never go wrong; His design is what He intended everyone to be. Denying that is a clear rejection of His sovereignty.

    • lillay says:

      Exactly. He knows. That’s the point. Think: maybe God made people transgender? So they could grow and strengthen themselves. God puts people through trials all the time.

      • Daniel says:

        Can confirm; I’m a Christian trans man. God made me this way so I could learn to be gentle and compassionate towards others while socialized as a female, when men are too often taught to suppress their emotions and dominate others. Now I can be a soft, kind man in an angry world. It’s quite lovely, I think.

  6. Kaylee O'Brien says:

    Transgenderism is truly another symptom of a lost culture trying to find happiness apart from God. People have always wanted to find identity in something, to worship something, whether we know it or not. We have been created this way, but our flesh points us away from God and to something else. Transgenderism is another example of this. Great post!

    • Mykie says:

      Do you ever wonder what its like to want to be something that people tell you that you can’t be, or shouldn’t be? Have you ever looked in the mirror and hate what stared back at you? Transgendered people aren’t looking for someone else to worship. We are looking for a way to make ourselves the way we want to be seen.

    • Daniel says:

      I’m transgender and Christian. I find happiness in God, who made me trans so we could share in the act of creation. I’m not sinning by transitioning into a form more like that of the handsome man They made me to be. No matter what this terrible blog post says.

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  8. SedaJane says:

    As a Christian who is also transgender, I think I have a rather unique perspective on this subject. I agree, fully and based on my experience (as well as, for instance, Psalm 139:13-16), that a person cannot change their gender. I also believe that God is our creator, the final authority, and He defines who we are. We don’t get to choose our gender, no matter how much we’d like to. If we could, transgender people probably wouldn’t exist.

    One big question for me is, where do you draw the line at the intersection of science and the Word of God? I think we can all find ways that Biblical interpretation has changed over time as new scientific discoveries come to light. In this case, science has found genetic and epigenetic causes for transgenderism, as well as physical differences in the brain between men and women. Transgender people literally have female brains in their male bodies, or vice versa. If we accept that the Bible is true, how does that guide us in relationship to what science discovers?

    It seems to me, then, that we have three options: The Bible is true; therefore, when the science appears to disagree with the Bible, either:
    – the science is wrong, or:
    – the interpretation of the science is wrong, or;
    – the interpretation of the Bible is wrong.

    How do we know which one applies in each circumstance? Is there any objective criteria we can use to help decide?

    • Abby says:

      The way I see it is this. Men and women’s bodies are built differently. If a person has xx chromosomes, they’re identified as a female in the scientific world. If a person has xy chromosomes, they’re identified as a male in the scientific world. This generation likes to mix feelings with fact. If a person feels feminine they must be a girl even if they have xy chromosomes. That’s just science and culture. From a Biblical standpoint, God made male and female with specific body parts for reproduction. He told us to replenish the earth and that happens when a male body part gets with a female body part. It’s like a lock and key, two keys don’t unlock a door and two locks don’t unlock a door. A man can have a feminine personality, but he is still a man. A girl can be a tomboy, but she’s still a girl. What ever exterior activities you are drawn to doesn’t change your gender, it’s a personality thing. Does that help?

      • SedaJane says:

        I tried to answer, but my replies don’t get posted. Sorry.

      • SedaJane says:

        Sorry, I keep trying to reply, my answers go to mediation and don’t get posted. I don’t know why.

      • SedaJane says:

        The problem with oversimplifying science to say that the xx/xy norm is
        everything, is that the many, normal though uncommon exceptions prove it
        wrong.

        • SedaJane says:

          And then what do you do with the fact that trans people literally have brains that are differentiated to the opposite s_x?

          • SedaJane says:

            And looking at it from a Biblical standpoint doesn’t help much with that
            argument, either, because the verses that you refer to (without citing) are
            actually pretty ambiguous. Take Gen. 1:27 – it says God (singular) created man (singular) in His (singular) image … “male and female” (plural?).
            Does that mean “male *or* female,” as is our traditional/cultural
            interpretation? or are we *all* “male and female,” in God’s image? And
            doesn’t Ps. 139:13-16 indicate that God creates xy AIS people as women “in their mother’s womb” – intentionally? And therefore trans people also? What about Isaiah 56:3-5?

            It’s not so much that this generation mixes feelings with fact – it’s that this generation is beginning to understand that science has more anomalies than was thought previously. And the idea that the line between male and female is sharp and clear is cultural and traditional, but neither scientific nor Biblical.

  9. LegendaryLowndesy888 says:

    not everyone’s a christian.

    • L says:

      You don’t have to read it then…

      • Daniel says:

        And not every Christian believes the conservative garbage that this website spews.

        • L says:

          Not all so called “Christians” are true Christians.

          • Daniel says:

            Like the people who claim that they follow Christ but do nothing for the poor, are complicit in oppression, hate people who are different than them, and focus on enforcing “purity” over promoting love and forgiveness.

          • L says:

            Hmm no… more like the people who don’t like truth don’t like certain verses in the bible and who go against Gods word.
            I like everyone but sin is horrid to me and I dislike it in my own life.
            I think purity is very important because God says it is.
            I promote forgiveness I’ve needed it in my own life.
            Love is very important.
            I’ve personally witnessed poor eating the food that God blessed me with to give to them.

  10. Samuel says:

    Okay, but you fail to mention that transgender people /are/ born that way. The DSM-5 recognizes that gender dysphoria is an actual mental disorder that can lead to depression, anorexia, anxiety, and even suicide. This is not a simple “Oh, this is what the Bible says”. There is no other way known that can treat trans people other than transitioning. No one just wakes up one day and says, “You know what’d be fun? Chopping off my penis!” Your blog is indoctrinating young people into hate and it’s not okay.

  11. Patch Uup says:

    god made me transgender. if he wanted me to be cis, he could make me feel comfortable in my body as it is. he wanted me to fight for my true gender and to appreciate it even more than i would if i was born in the right body. being transgender is not a choice and god works in mysterious ways. you cant know why he made someone transgender and you should respect the person and their struggles

  12. Jasper says:

    This is disgusting. I feel physically sick after reading this. Do you have *any* idea how hard it is to get by as at trans person – or a person linked to the LGBTQ community in any way – or does that escape your cisheteronormative train of thought? This is toxic, especially to young trans people. You can’t just say “God made everybody the way he wanted and expect everyone to follow that agenda. Gender is not a choice. Being bigoted and hateful is.

    • Geritude says:

      Well said.

    • Katy says:

      I’m sorry if I come off as rude by saying this but, are you saying that
      you CAN change your gender? Because in your second to last sentence, you
      say, “Gender is not a choice” then does that not mean that you cannot
      change it? Because if you could change it, then wouldn’t it be your
      choice? This goes against what your sentence says, that Gender is not a
      choice. In this article, nowhere did anyone say that it was easy to get
      by as a trans person, or anyone linked to the LGBTQ community. And being
      Lesbian, or Gay, or having a certain Sexuality has nothing to do with
      changing your gender. That’s not the issue being addressed here, I hope
      you know that. I agree with this article, but I hope this does not
      change how you reply, we all have our own opinions. Now, If there’s
      something I am missing, then PLEASE tell me, I don’t know much about
      trans genders, and what it all means, but based on the information I
      have just been provided with, I’m pretty sure that you can’t
      authentically change your gender. Not yet at least, I don’t think we have
      the technology to do so, but, maybe in the future.

      • SedaJane says:

        If people got to choose their gender, trans people wouldn’t exist. Nobody would choose this. The existence of trans people pretty much proves you can’t choose.

        • Made in his image says:

          Yes you do chose, because God made you with the body/mind of ONE gender and YOU chose to change it because of YOUR sinful feelings.
          Mrs SedaJane let’s talk without getting angry and we might leave this conversation on agreeable terms.

          • trash says:

            how do you choose what gender you are? you can’t just select a gender before you start developing in the womb and then happily pop out without worrying about any dysphoria. why would people choose to disagree with your god only to be told by countless brainwashed Christians and other religions that they are sinning by existing? why would they put up with all the hate they receive and the suffering they endure because of their dysphoria? why would they spend so much money for surgery or go through the effort to get hormones if they could just up and decide what gender they are?
            i’m sorry that you’re so close-minded and that you think you have the right in any way shape or form to comment on the lives of other people and shun them because of verses in an old book that, nine times out of ten, you’re taking way out of context.

  13. Missy Gardner says:

    God made us the way we are and gave us free-will so why can we not change our selves in any way at all (gender, tattoos, piercings) without it being changing what God wants. Being trans is something your born with. Trans people can be who they were meant to be AND be christian AND believe in lgbtq+ everything AND be trans in a God honoring way. Why can they not?

    • Loved says:

      Free will?
      The choice to follow him
      Or the choice to follow the world.
      The choice to follow him leads to obeying all he says and does.
      The choice of following the world leads to death.

      If you are a trans the bible is clear that such sin is wrong, and needs to be repented of and turned away from.
      If you are a true believer you will hate the sin and not accept it.

      • Alex says:

        hey so, um, where exactly in the bible does it say being transgender is wrong? i know people like to twist words and take things out of context… (likepeoplethinkinggodhatesgays) but from what i remember, God says he loves anyone no matter male or female. jew or gentile, slave or free?

        sincerely “a trans” and a christian

        • Loved says:

          Hey! Here’s some verses…
          He says he hates sin, loves his creation, but they destroyed their worth and the only worth we can find now is through him!

          the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
          1 Timothy 1:10 ESV

          Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
          1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV

          just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
          Jude 1:7 ESV

          Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
          1 Corinthians 11:9 ESV

          If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
          Leviticus 20:13 ESV

          You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
          Leviticus 18:22 ESV

          I understand your confusion… a lot of people believe this but it goes against Gods word
          May I ask what type of religion you believe in?
          Sincerely, a Christian friend

          • Daniel says:

            Uhh…none of those verses are actually about trans people. Try again.

          • Loved says:

            Really… because I’m pretty sure the last time I checked guys that want to be girls are usually also okay with having *e* with another girl vice versa… therefore also they can be called homesexuals right?

          • Daniel says:

            Wrong. You can’t call anyone a homosexual. It’s an inappropriate term that has its basis in so-called “conversion therapy.” (Which doesn’t so anything except psychologically torture the person receiving it. Conversion therapy = bad.) Men who love other men are gay; women who love other women are lesbian. If a person likes both genders, they’re bisexual. I don’t expect you to care, but at least know you can’t claim that you didn’t know.
            Second, trans women are not “guys who want to be girls.” They are women. And even though you didn’t mention them, trans men are not “girls who want to be guys,” they’re men. Again, you probably don’t care, but at least humor me while I explain.
            A transgender person can be of any orientation. If a trans women is attracted only to other women, she’s a lesbian. If she is attracted only to men, she is straight. If she is attracted to men and women, she is bi. If she is attracted neither men nor women, she is asexual. This is because orientation and gender identity are two different things.
            By the same token, if a trans man is attracted only to other men, he’s gay. If he only likes women, he’s straight. If he likes both, he’s bi, and if he likes neither, he’s ace. Again, gender and orientation are two different things. Don’t generalize.
            I want to see verses that are about gender identity, not about attraction. Show me them. I want to see.

          • Loved says:

            You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also?
            Luke 11:40 ESV

            But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
            Romans 9:20 ESV

            So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
            Genesis 1:27 ESV

            God thunders wondrously with his voice; he does great things that we cannot comprehend.
            Job 37:5 ESV

            For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
            Psalms 139:13‭-‬16 ESV

            So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
            2 Corinthians 4:16 ESV

            Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
            1 Corinthians 6:9‭-‬20 ESV

            But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches. Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.
            1 Corinthians 7:2‭, ‬17‭-‬17‭, ‬20‭, ‬24 ESV

            Your points are useless because it’s just saying that it’s okay if one sin leads to anther…. I’m not saying that I hate ANYBODY…
            But is it wrong to hate sin?

          • Loved says:

            Here’s one I didn’t add…
            For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
            1 Timothy 4:4 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            So I don’t reject that God made me trans or try to suppress my true gender, which is male. I’m quite thankful to be trans. Good point!
            (I know that wasn’t what you meant. But you proof-texted that verse, so I don’t care.)

          • Loved says:

            That’s weird… I posted several other verses as well…

          • Daniel says:

            Yeah, I’m not going to argue with you if you’re just going to throw cherry-picked, proof-texted verses at me. See ya.

          • Loved says:

            a few seconds ago
            You mean your not going to talk to me because I’m showing you Gods word which is all truth and you don’t like to hear it… that’s the case when sin is ruling… sad but true

          • Daniel says:

            Dude, don’t act like you have the moral high ground here. You started by victim-blaming suicidal people, then you threw random verses at me that you twisted to suit your agenda, then you implied that you think intersex people don’t have a right to exist (for a physical condition of their bodies, btw, intersex isn’t even a gender identity) on the virtue that you think there isn’t a Bible verse affirming their identity, and then you topped it off by claiming that I’M the one with sin ruling in me just because I don’t have exactly the same beliefs as you. Seriously? You know, Jesus himself never said a word directly about people’s gender identities, but he was loud and clear about his opinion on hypocritical, self-righteous people. And it wasn’t a positive opinion. Learn some empathy and how to be accepting of people who aren’t like you.

          • Loved says:

            Look I was trying to be nice, I don’t twist your words like you have of mine… you’ve stepped over the line and now your calling a girl “dude “…. you might not like the way God made you but I do I also like that he made me a woman so I don’t like being called “dude”
            Everyone has sin in their lives but the ones who turn away and repent are saved.
            If anyone’s pushing their agenda it’s you because your on a Christian blog page that you don’t agree with and your on here exploding at people who don’t agree with you.
            If you don’t like Gods word then maybe you need to check your heart because a true believer would cherish his word.
            Have a nice evening and I’ll be praying for you.

            Sincerely, a child of a true (just) loving God!

          • Daniel says:

            Here are our problems here, “Loved.” Sit somewhere comfortable and maybe grab a snack.
            1. You show little evidence that you actually read and understood what I said, because you never wholly address it in your response. You just attack a misrepresentation of what I said. For example, I have told you several times now that I don’t believe God made a mistake by making me trans. You continue to act as though I think God screwed something up when They made me. Whether you’re doing it on purpose or not, that’s called attacking a strawman, and it’s a logical fallacy. You cannot have a debate with someone if you aren’t going to address the actual points they made.
            2. Your main defense is that the Bible is infallible (but really, it’s YOUR interpretation of the Bible that you believe is infallible, let’s not kid ourselves here.) The problem is that your logical backing for this runs something along the lines of “The Bible is infallible because it’s God’s Word and it says so!” Except you can’t use that as a legitimate argument because it’s circular logic. When you use circular logic, you use a fact to prove itself. It’s another form of logical fallacy. Whether or not the Scriptures actually are infallible, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible. It’s bad reasoning. You cannot debate someone if you’re going to use inherently flawed logic.
            3. Furthermore, your method of quoting Scripture at me like some kind of gotcha is fundamentally flawed for two reasons. Number one is that I don’t interpret the Bible literally. You can scream “created male and female!” at me until you give yourself laryngitis, but that won’t change anything. That’s because I don’t take the Good Book so literally. For example using the “male and female” verse that you like to quote as me, I mentioned that there exist intersex people who are LITERALLY BORN NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE, (intersex is not a gender identity; it is a physical structure of the body) disproves your claim that all humans are strictly and inalterably male or female. If you’re going to interpret “male and female He created them” literally, you’re going against reality itself. Interpreting the Bible so literally that you run afoul of science and logic is a Bad Idea. It’s not some new heresy, either; it traces back to at least the time of Christian theologians such as St. Augustine. Very few Christians believe in interpreting the Bible the way you or the girls who run GirlDefined do.
            4. Reason number two that your quotes aren’t working is that you are interpreting the Bible in a way that is objectively incorrect. It does not matter what your personal beliefs are; you cannot pull random passages (of any work, really, not just the Bible) out of context and use them to support a conclusion that you have already made. That’s proof-texting. YOU CAN’T DO THAT. All of those verses you quoted at me do not address gender identity AT ALL in their original contexts. You ripped them away from their original point to make them about gender identity instead. That’s WRONG. In any case, it’s factually wrong, and in your case, it’s morally wrong, because you are essentially lying about what the Bible actually says about gender.
            5. Do you know why I’m so hostile towards you, “Loved?” It’s not just because you’re intolerant of my existence, although that is quite frustrating to me. It’s because you act in a way that comes off as insufferably self-righteous. “It’s sad that you have sin in your life…” “Sad but true…” “I just want you to see the truth…” “Sincerely, a child of the true God.” It’s disgusting, and call me crazy, but I don’t think God has a very high opinion of people who think they’re holier than other people. Add that to how my first impression of you was that you victim-blame suicidal people who self-harm by implying that they do it to seek attention, which seriously angers me as a mental health advocate, and maybe now you see why I act so vitrolic towards you. If your behavior is what you call “nice,” I’d hate to be the object of your “meanness.”
            6. I didn’t call you “dude” to insult you. I’m only 18, ma’am; I use teen slang. Gen Z kids like me use “dude” to address anyone of any gender. Sorry if that bothered you. If it makes you feel better, I kinda assumed you were a woman anyway.
            7. I’m entitled as a human being to disagree with GirlDefined and with you. This is a public page on the Internet, not a private echo chamber for conservative Christians. If the girls of GirlDefined are bold enough to make a blog post like this where anyone can see it, they (and those holding similar beliefs) should be aware that others will disagree with them.They should also be aware that those who disagree them may voice their side of the argument in a comment section if one is provided. So, this trans man can definitely waltz onto this page and angrily correct the people who think he shouldn’t exist. Also, you’re not the arbitrator of whether or not I’m a real Christian.
            You’re not going to change my gender identity by praying about it. Because it’s not a sin for me to be who I am. I’ve already prayed for guidance about being trans, and the response I’ve gotten back from God was “This is the way to go; follow in it.” They’re cool with me being a trans man. You might not be, but I don’t need your approval to be who I am. My new name, Daniel, means “God is my judge.” It doesn’t mean “An Internet commenter is my judge.”
            We are seriously done talking now. You can reply to my comment, but I won’t respond. See ya.

          • Sylvia McDonald says:

            dude is a gender neutral term cdbnifbhdfhieo girl what planet do you live on?

          • Daniel says:

            You know what, let’s give this sordid discussion a proper sendoff. I’m on Christmas break now; I’ve got the time to type out one last, long response. Sit somewhere comfortable and maybe get a snack. We’re gonna be here a while.
            1. I’m pretty sure that you don’t really read my responses thoroughly. Because instead of addressing the specific points I make, your responses attack a misrepresentation of what I said. For example, I have told you multiple times now that God didn’t make a mistake by making me trans. You continue to act as though I think God messed up my gender somehow. Whether you’re doing it on purpose or not, what you’re doing is called attacking a strawman, and it’s a logical fallacy. You can’t debate someone if you’re going to use faulty logic.
            2. It seems like your main defense of your arguments is that the Bible is infallible (but really it’s your interpretation of the Bible that you believe is infallible.) The problem with this is that the logic of such a belief runs something along the lines of “The Bible is true because it’s God’s Word and it says it’s true.” That claim uses circular logic, another logical fallacy. Whether or not the Scriptures actually are infallible, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible. It’s bad reasoning. Inherently flawed logic will do you no good in an argument.
            Part one of…several, I guess.

          • Daniel says:

            3. The way you quote Scripture at me like some kind of gotcha is also fundamentally flawed for two reasons. Number one is that I don’t interpret the Bible in the literalist way that you do. I know that some parts of the Bible go against science, history, human compassion, or plain old logic if you take them too literally. I’d like to bring up that one verse from Genesis about created male or female. That verse wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously; the original Hebrew text yields a strange wording that implies gender as a spectrum rather than a binary, similar to how the whole of creation is summed up as “heaven and earth.” Whether or not you agree with me on that, the fact that intersex people exist destroys the argument that there are only men and women — intersex is not a gender identity. It is a physical condition of the body. Thus, interpreting the verse “male or female” literally means going against reality itself. The Bible was never intended to be read so literally that a person runs afoul of objective reality.
            4. Reason number two the Scripture-quoting is fallacious, is that you are interpreting the Bible in a way that is objectively incorrect. Even if the Bible is literally true, you cannot take verses out of context to support a conclusion that you have already drawn. You can’t do that with any text. It’s called proof-texting. You can’t do that. Those verses you quoted at me don’t have anything at all to do with gender identity in their original contexts. Divorcing them from their original meaning to make them about gender identity is both factually and morally wrong.
            Part two of…several.

          • Daniel says:

            5. The reason I’m so hostile with you is not just because you disagree with my very identity as a queer person and repeatedly misgender me. It’s because of the attitude I’m picking up from your comments, whether it’s intentional or not. I’m sure you’re a nice person IRL who wants only the best for others, but the way you word your comments comes off as somewhat self-righteous to me. “It’s sad when people have sin in their lives.” “I just want people to know the truth.” “Sincerely, a child of the true God.” I hate it when people act in a self-righteous way, and from what I’m getting from the Bible, God doesn’t approve either. Jesus had some pretty condemning words fpr people who think they’re morally better than others. Add that to how my first impression of you was the comment where you said “When people self-harm, it’s usually because they’re looking for attention.” Not only is it very untrue that self-harm is done for attention, but that is also a rather cruel attitude to have against those struggling with mental disorders. It angers me as an advocate for mental health. The fact that you also implied mental illness is some kind of sin issue made me even angrier. Victim-blaming mentally ill people only worsens the problem, and for some people, it can be the final push that drives them to taking their own life. I’m sorry if my anger was unjustified, but I also hope you understand why I was so vitriolic.
            6. I didn’t call you “dude” to insult you or imply anything about your gender. People of my age group use “dude” to refer to anyone of any gender. Sorry if it bothered you. If it makes you feel better, I kind of assumed you were a woman anyway.
            7. I’m entitled as a human being to disagree with GirlDefined and with you. This is a public comments section, not a private echo chamber for conservative Christians. People with a different view are allowed to speak up. And I have a different view, so I do speak up. Also, you’re not the arbitrator of whether or not I’m a real Christian.

          • Daniel says:

            One final note. You are not going to change my gender identity by praying about it. I already have prayed about it. The answer I got back from God was “this is the way to go; follow in it.” They’re cool with me being a trans person. You might not be, but I don’t need your approval to be who I am. My new name, Daniel, means “God is my judge.” It doesn’t mean “right-wing Christians are my judges.”
            Before I go, I have a verse of my own I’d like to share with you. Matthew 6v5.
            “And when you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand out in the street corners and synagogues so others will see them. Believe me, they’ve already received their full reward.”
            Consider that in light of how you’ve announced that you’ll pray for me, that sinful, sinful trans man.
            We’re done talking now. You can respond, but I don’t feel like coming back to this blog anymore. I’m sorry this exchange went the way it did. I said some unkind things, and I hope you’ll forgive me for them. But I’m not sorry for who I am as a queer Christian. I only hope things will go well for you from here on out.
            –Daniel

          • loved says:

            Well.. I’m sorry to hear this… you see I’d never call myself a self righteous person.. if you have a problem that I said I’d pray for you then okay… you believe what you want but remember this God is clear he hates sin/sinners and the bible is clear that he’s against homesexuality and such.. so if you have a problem with that then… you might want to figure who your living for yourself or God. Also I could also say that you where typing very hatefully as well… but my thing is I made it clear I wasn’t mad with your choice but honestly disgusted… if you don’t like truth why do you read it anyway? So… if your done I’m done.
            The problem with people these days is they only live for themselves and only feel good if they feel good about themselves.

            Oh and the bible is God’s word! So… you can’t pick and choose your will but all of it is truth and needed for our every day lives not just the easy parts gender included.

            You say God didn’t mistake your gender that your feelings just need something different well news here God made all of you not just part! He also made your gender. Your sin isn’t part of his plan.

            But I’m done… I’ve tried your own views of God have distorted the true God. You see my God isn’t weak like you think yours is my God made my gender and he is in control of my feelings I need no extra to take his place.

          • SedaJane says:

            There was nothing about homosexuality in any of these posts. Why do you bring it up? What do you think transgenderism is?

          • Loved says:

            You mean your not going to talk to me because I’m showing you Gods word which is all truth and you don’t like to hear it… that’s the case when sin is ruling… sad but true

          • Loved says:

            You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also?
            Luke 11:40 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            So maybe you should stop thinking that my female-coded outside is the same as my inner, true self that God made, which is male.

          • Loved says:

            He doesn’t make someone female and make their inside male… sin does that…

          • Loved says:

            But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
            Romans 9:20 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            Who are you to question what God has made? In case you haven’t realized it despite me saying so numerous times, I don’t think God made a mistake by making me trans. They just made me a little different, is all.

          • Loved says:

            He made them male and female…. your the one thinking that their was done type of typo in there that didn’t mention your own sinful wishes

          • SedaJane says:

            Well, reading it literally, then – we are all trans. He didn’t say “male OR female,” he said “and”. That’s trans.

          • Loved says:

            No that’s another twist of scripture, honestly stop and gear yourself are you serious?? You question Gods word and make it your own? What type of God is he to you?
            Who do you think you are?

          • Loved says:

            So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
            Genesis 1:27 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            Binaries used to represent a spectrum. Sorta like how God made the day and night, but also twilight and dawn, the transitional phases. Also, God made intersex people who were born as neither male nor female.

          • Loved says:

            No he made them male and female… sin made then fruitless thinkers…

          • Loved says:

            Until you find something about intersex in the bible that says it’s okay… I think you’d better try following the verses that are against it.

          • Loved says:

            God thunders wondrously with his voice; he does great things that we cannot comprehend.
            Job 37:5 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            Like create people that aren’t easy to categorize by gender.

          • Loved says:

            No… sin likes to make people not like categorizing their true gender.

          • Loved says:

            For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
            Psalms 139:13‭-‬16 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            I oughta honor God by not rejecting that They made me wonderful as a trans man, then. Gotcha.

          • Loved says:

            He doesn’t make people trans… he’s not a mistake maker

          • SedaJane says:

            So you are judging trans people as mistakes? By what standard? Matt. 7:1-3. Rom. 2:1. 1 Sam. 16:7. I could go on.

          • Loved says:

            No, “He doesn’t make people trans… he’s not a mistake maker” that last part was to the people who keep telling everyone that God made a slight mistake in making them.
            Honestly God doesn’t make ones feelings to go one way and their body’s yo go the other. Sin does.

          • SedaJane says:

            Exactly! Once again you cite a passage that supports trans people living the gender of their identity.

          • Loved says:

            No. But believe what you want if you want to twist scripture for your own feelings go ahead don’t say I didn’t warn you.
            Your identity should be found in Christ. Not your gender.

          • Loved says:

            So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
            2 Corinthians 4:16 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            Hey, you’re right. My outer body that people code as female is wasting away. But my inner self, my true gender as a male, is affirmed by God.

          • Loved says:

            Putting words in Gods mouth can be dangerous

          • Loved says:

            Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
            1 Corinthians 6:9‭-‬20 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            Pro tip: the phrase often translated “homosexual offenders” actually refers to pedophiles in the original Greek. Bring that verse up with Roy Moore and the abusive priests, not me.

          • Loved says:

            It hurts to hear truth… I get that… the bible says fools hate truth and correction.

          • Loved says:

            Sexual immoral .. can be trans people too

          • SedaJane says:

            Can be – but anyone else can be, too. That has nothing to do with being trans, it’s choices one makes regardless.

          • Loved says:

            The last part of you statement made it sound like your saying it’s your choice regardless what God says.
            It’s talking about anyone who sexually immoral which would include trans homesexuals etc.

          • SedaJane says:

            There’s nothing at all about transgenderism in that passage. Nothing.

          • Loved says:

            It talks about the sexual immoral and the body what are y’all asking for? That it has the exact words “thou shall not change what I have made you!”
            You’ll do anything you can if you can’t find perfect words against in his word won’t you?

          • SedaJane says:

            I guess what I’m saying is, the passage you cited was all about sexual immorality. You seem to be accusing/judging me (and all trans people) as sexually immoral. I don’t understand your basis for saying this. For instance, I’ve been celibate for almost 9 years now (and not as “incel”). How then am I sexually immoral? What authority are you using for this judgment?

          • Loved says:

            Your thoughts can as well be sexually immortal you are also living and proclaiming that LGBTQ is okay with God that is also very wrong.
            Most trans etc are being sexually immoral with their bodies all the time.
            I’m not judging, judging would be me telling you that your going to **** etc but instead I’m holding accountable people who claim to know God and serve him.
            As Christians we should all be open to accountability.
            But when your not a true Christian accountability doesn’t mean anything and it makes you angry.
            My trust won’t be in man but in God.

          • SedaJane says:

            Speaking of accountability, I just want to take a quick moment to celebrate that we are both united in seeking to glorify our Savior (at least, I know I am), and are united in prayer to find truth and hold each other accountable. I will make this pledge to you: I will listen to you with an open heart and try to understand your point of view, and I will honor you as a sincere Christian sincerely seeking to help. I hope and believe that is true, and I hope you will do the same for me.

          • Loved says:

            Okay, SedaJane, here’s the deal if we want to have nice friendly conversation this is what I need us both to do if we want to make this happen. #1 we need to start a new conversation up at top you or I can start by asking questions etc (reasons because it’s to much to scroll through all this humbug”
            #2 you and I must forget everything comments etc that we have talked about and start over, that means I don’t go to your older conversations to talk over and all and you don’t with any if mine espessialy with Daneil and others on here. (Reasons I like to start fresh and because the conversations I had before are everywhere)
            #3 No calling names, or bad language! (Reasons that litterly upsets me beyond anything)
            #4 let’s not lie about things.
            I’m willing to continue but you have to understand i only get comments in mostly in morning and at night.
            So if we you or I doesn’t answer back within a 3 day period of the question/comment this conversation can’t be carried forward because I don’t get alerts when somebody answers me and I can’t keep checking everyday espessialy if you never get back to me vise versa.
            I am a Christian so my main source is Gods word.
            Also sometimes I try to comment and my Wi-Fi is so bad it won’t post please have some grace.
            If girl defined was to make this a private post at any time just for profile users I will not be able to get in and answer back so please don’t think I’m running.

          • Loved says:

            Also I’m not that into all of that scientific lalagaga stuff I honestly don’t care or know much about it but I have my reasons.

          • Loved says:

            But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches. Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.
            1 Corinthians 7:2‭, ‬17‭-‬17‭, ‬20‭, ‬24 ESV

          • Daniel says:

            Good thing God called me to a be a trans man, then.

          • Loved says:

            Your very in to twisting scripture…

          • SedaJane says:

            This passage indicates that trans people should live in the gender of their identity, not the one assigned to them at birth. Good point, tho.

          • Loved says:

            No it doesn’t! Oh my… ugh how much are you willing to disobey? You must not fear God because again you’ve twisted his words. God doesn’t make your feelings trans and your body one gender! Read the bible and don’t twist it.

          • SedaJane says:

            When you say, “Read the Bible and don’t twist it,” I think, “Back atcha!” But let’s make sure we’re talking about the same thing. What do you think transgenderism is? And what is the basis of this understanding?

          • Loved says:

            Transgenderism is sin when a woman wants to be a man or a man wants to be a woman..
            When they let their sinful feelings be their guide. And change their God made design into something their not just to feel good about themselves.
            I will make it clear I don’t believe LGBTQ is the only sinful thing out there but it is a big one and it’s destroying Gods design.

          • SedaJane says:

            Thank you for that. It helps because I can get a better idea of where you’re coming from, although you didn’t share where you get the basis for this understanding, which would be very helpful.

            Transgenderism is not sin, and is not described as sin in the Bible. Transgenderism is a medical condition, just as autism, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS), and diabetes are medical conditions (which also aren’t addressed in the Bible). The “feeling” is a symptom, not a cause; as such, it is no more sin than a runny nose is sin when you have a cold.

            The condition has both genetic and epigenetic factors that trigger it (“The Psychobiology of Transsexualism and Transgenderism,” by Thomas E. Bevan, PhD), that cause the brain to develop with the differentiation of the opposite gender (a lot of studies have confirmed this). So, literally, I have a female brain in my male body. That is a scientific fact. We can debate the existential meaning of this, but that is the fact.

            Does that help you get a better understanding of the issue?

          • Daniel says:

            A valiant effort, SedaJane, and thank you for defending your trans siblings. But I think you’ll have to let this one go. People like “Loved” are willfully ignorant. You can show them the facts, and you have, but they’ll ignore them because those facts don’t fit their narrative. I’m impressed you manage to stay civil. You’ve got a really airtight explanation whereas all these people have is out-of-context, cherry-picked Bible verses and their own ignorant opinions. I admire you, ma’am.

          • Loved says:

            For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
            Romans 1:21‭-‬32 ESV

          • SedaJane says:

            Sure. But I don’t understand why you post this passage. We are talking about transgenderism, and by extension gender dysphoria (GD). How does this passage address that? I don’t see a connection.

          • Loved says:

            So now we believe sinful people rather then God wow shows our faithfulness to him.

          • SedaJane says:

            I don’t understand what you mean. All people are sinful (Rom. 3:23), including you and me. What does this refer to?

          • Loved says:

            “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.
            Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV

            That’s also pretty clear..

          • SedaJane says:

            The problems with using this verse to clobber trans people includes:
            1. We are no longer under the law, we’re under grace.
            2. If this verse applies to us, then also verses like Deut. 22:11 apply to you. Are you wearing any clothes with mixed fibers? If you are (or if you’re in violation of any other Old Testament law), then you’re saying that “this OT law that doesn’t affect me applies to you, but this other OT law that affects me doesn’t apply to me.” That’s a double standard.
            3. By this standard, Daniel is compliant when wearing men’s clothing, and I am when wearing women’s – which is certainly cool with me, and I’m guessing with Daniel too.

            So maybe it’s not as clear as you say it is.

          • Loved says:

            Okay forget that one verse okay.
            But take ALL the others and actually read them don’t twist them read them!
            Then tell me where does the bible say live by your feelings and how you feel is right?
            Where in the bible does it say live like a sinner and I’ll just keep forgiving

  14. Bailey Woodin says:

    *PLEASE RESPOND*
    what would you say to the trans youth who want to kill themselves and self harm because they can not be who God made them to be?

    • Loved says:

      First God never made anyone trans…
      Second he loves you for you…
      Third if you are a Christian your whole life is about him including your gender… which means youh should be asking the question, Am I truly living for him or myself.
      Fourth usually when people self harm themselves by cutting it’s to get attention… which means again… are you living for you or him……
      God made you the way he saw fit!
      Girl fight the good fight and see to it that the race ends well.
      He made you YOU not a trans.

      • Daniel says:

        As someone who has friends who self-harm and definitely don’t do it for attention…you make me wish that this website didn’t censor the F-bomb. Because you deserve to be hit with a hundred of them. HOW DARE YOU. You are heartless and evil to claim that my friends, whom I’ve cried for and prayed about and feared for daily, are just attention seekers. Beg God for forgiveness right now, you vile human being.

        • Loved says:

          Ugh that can hurt…
          Please! I’m begging you to understand that if anybody has committed suicide or self harm, it’s because it’s not easy to live with sin in your life all the time and it can become overwhelming and will eat you to the core until ethier you repent and turn away or think your only way out is to end everything which sadly only leads to a life worse then this if your not saved!!

          Sincerely, a human that feels

          • Daniel says:

            You know what, I’m still angry at you.
            Are you kidding me? Or have you really been tricked into believing such a sociopathic brand of “theology?” My friends and I struggle with self-harm and suicidal thoughts because we have MENTAL DISORDERS! Not because of “sin in our lives all the time!” I have obsessive-compulsive disorder. My friends have anxiety problems and depression. How DARE you claim that my friends, one of whom is depressed because they’ve been emotionally abused by their mother, are at fault for their self-harm. I’m disgusted by the way you think. Learn some empathy.

          • Loved says:

            Umm… who’s fault is it then? If God made you a certain gender a woman and you decide you want to be a man, it’s not me who’s telling you to go against God and change who he created you to be, your making that decision, so my question is, is it your fault? Or are you blaming God? Are really telling him that he’s weak and didn’t make you correctly?

          • Daniel says:

            I don’t know how many times I need to say this. I didn’t “decide” to be a man. I am a man. You can call me “she” and a “woman” until you have carpal tunnel syndrome from typing it so much, but that doesn’t change anything. I’m a man. Gender dysphoria is a condition, not a sin — it’s no more wrong than me getting glasses for my bad vision and medicine for my OCD. I pity that you can’t accept that someone can be both trans and Christian, or that they can be those things without blaming God for their identity. Despite what you’re convinced I think, I don’t blame God for making me this way. Some things aren’t anyone’s fault. I think They made me very lovely: The Divine transcends gender and it doesn’t seem unlikely to me that They would create human beings who are, likewise, beyond traditional gender definitions. Your worldview is quite a sad, close-minded way to live. If you can’t accept that I’m a man even though you call me a woman, then that is your own problem, not mine. I will not discuss this with you any longer. I do not value your opinions. They have changed nothing about my perspective. I will go on being trans and loving God, and you can live angry about it. Goodbye.

          • Loved says:

            God doesn’t make mistakes in gender or anything… at least not my God!
            I’m not living angry because of it… I just want all trans to know that God isn’t just a loving God and that he will judge others… I’m not walking around angry at the world because of this issue I’m just living and doing what I can do, I’m telling all people that he’s the only way and he’s not just the big man up there watching you but that he’s the one who has your very soul in his hands and will do what’s just to it.
            I’m sorry if you disagree… I love people dearly and it breaks me.

          • Geritude says:

            You don’t love people. Only your ideal version of people.

          • Loved says:

            A true friend Geritude is willing to point out your faults and help you fix them, a friend who’s no good is only going to let you live your faults and burn with your faults.
            Your ideal love Geritude is more hurting then you realize .
            I love people enough to hold them accountable.

          • Geritude says:

            You only want people to be held accountable for things you consider wrong. You can’t except that people are unique and different so you label as anyone unlike you as a sinner and use the Bible to pressure people into following your beliefs. Even if that’s you being loving as you say it is you’re only going to hurt people with the way you’re going about it.

          • Loved says:

            How do you purpose I go about it?
            Accepting sin?
            Accepting something he tells me to turn away from?
            I don’t think people who change their gender as unique because if you take something that was unique and ruin it, it becomes unsatisfied….
            Maybe your reading my posts wrong Geritude, I’m being as kind as possible your calling names being rude and twisting my words ( have I called anyone a single name yet?) If somebody where to hold you and I up and look at the way we converse who would be the one that gets away because they weren’t name calling?
            Geritude if you want people to believe you then maybe you should start being nicer because honestly all you say is either sarcastic mean or rude.
            Geritude – we both need something worth living for but we won’t find it in ourselfs or anybody else, we both need God! I know everyone goes to the thought that I’m judging them but honestly if you where doing something wrong that would lead you to death wouldn’t you want somebody holding you accountable?
            You might not think of notice it but that’s a true friend somebody who’s willing to say something truthful even if it hurts.
            I love you and everyone else who’s trans and that’s what makes me strive to bring truth up!

          • Daniel says:

            Here are our problems here, “Loved.” Sit somewhere comfortable and maybe grab a snack.
            1. You show little evidence that you actually read and understood what I said, because you never wholly address it in your response. You just attack a misrepresentation of what I said. For example, I have told you several times now that I don’t believe God made a mistake by making me trans. You continue to act as though I think God screwed something up when They made me. Whether you’re doing it on purpose or not, that’s called attacking a strawman, and it’s a logical fallacy. You cannot have a debate with someone if you aren’t going to address the actual points they made.
            2. Your main defense is that the Bible is infallible (but really, it’s YOUR interpretation of the Bible that you believe is infallible, let’s not kid ourselves here.) The problem is that your logical backing for this runs something along the lines of “The Bible is infallible because it’s God’s Word and it says so!” Except you can’t use that as a legitimate argument because it’s circular logic. When you use circular logic, you use a fact to prove itself. It’s another form of logical fallacy. Whether or not the Scriptures actually are infallible, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible. It’s bad reasoning. You cannot debate someone if you’re going to use inherently flawed logic.
            3. Furthermore, your method of quoting Scripture at me like some kind of gotcha is fundamentally flawed for two reasons. Number one is that I don’t interpret the Bible literally. You can scream “created male and female!” at me until you give yourself laryngitis, but that won’t change anything. That’s because I don’t take the Good Book so literally. For example using the “male and female” verse that you like to quote as me, I mentioned that there exist intersex people who are LITERALLY BORN NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE, (intersex is not a gender identity; it is a physical structure of the body) who disprove your claim that all humans are strictly and unalterably male or female. If you’re going to interpret “male and female He created them” literally, you’re going against reality itself. Interpreting the Bible so literally that you run afoul of science and logic is a Bad Idea.
            4. Reason number two that your quotes aren’t working is that you are interpreting the Bible in a way that is objectively incorrect. It does not matter what your personal beliefs are; you cannot pull random passages (of any work, really, not just the Bible) out of context and use them to support a conclusion that you have already made. That’s proof-texting. YOU CAN’T DO THAT. All of those verses you quoted at me do not address gender identity AT ALL in their original contexts. You ripped them away from their original point to make them about gender identity instead. That’s WRONG. In any case, it’s factually wrong, and in your case, it’s morally wrong, because you are not telling the truth about what the Bible says about gender identity.
            5. Do you know why I’m so hostile towards you, “Loved?” It’s not just because you’re intolerant of my existence and repeatedly misgender me, although that is quite frustrating to me. It’s because you act in a way that comes off as insufferably self-righteous. “It’s sad that you have sin in your life…” “Sad but true…” “I just want you to see the truth…” “Sincerely, a child of the true God.” I hate self-righteous attitudes, and call me crazy, but I don’t think God has a very high opinion of self-righteousness, either. Add that to how my first impression of you was that you victim-blame suicidal people who self-harm by implying that they do it to seek attention, which seriously angers me as a mental health advocate, and maybe now you see why I act so vitriolic towards you. If your behavior is what you call “nice,” I’d hate to be the object of your “meanness.”
            6. I didn’t call you “dude” to insult you. People of my age group use “dude” to informally address anyone of any gender. Sorry if that bothered you. If it makes you feel better, I kinda assumed you were a woman anyway.
            7. I’m entitled as a human being to disagree with GirlDefined and with you. This is a public page on the Internet, not a private echo chamber for conservative Christians. People with a different view are allowed to come onto here and speak up. So this trans man can definitely come onto here and angrily correct the people who think he shouldn’t exist. Also, you’re not the arbitrator of whether or not I’m a real Christian.
            You’re not going to change my gender identity by praying about it. Because it’s not a sin for me to be who I am. I’ve already prayed for guidance about being trans, and the response I’ve gotten back from God was “This is the way to go; follow in it.” They’re cool with me being a trans man. You might not be, but I don’t need your approval to be who I am. My new name, Daniel, means “God is my judge.” It doesn’t mean “An Internet commenter is my judge.” I don’t believe for one second that you actually love me or Geritude or anyone else who disagrees with you. Because all I’m getting from your responses is hate.
            Oh, and before I go, here’s a Bible verse I’d like to quote to you, since you love Scripture so much:
            “And when you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand and pray in the synagogues and street corners, so other people can see them. Believe me, they have already received their reward.” –Matt. 6v5.
            Consider this in light of how you announce that you’re going to pray for us sinful, sinful trans people.
            We are seriously done talking now. You can reply to my comment, but I won’t respond. See ya.

          • Geritude says:

            R/facepalm

          • Daniel says:

            Hey, it’s you Geritude! I missed you.

          • Daniel says:

            Oof same

          • Ro says:

            You go, dude. Don’t let these people tell you how you should live. It’s wonderful to see someone defending to trans community rather then spitting this propaganda.

          • Loved says:

            Who’s propaganda…? Are you spreading? Because it looks like your obviously against God! He’s word is proof

          • Daniel says:

            “The Bible is all true because the Bible says so!” is circular reasoning. Better known as a logical fallacy. You’re going to have to try harder than that.
            Call me a heretic, but I think that pulling random verses out of context and framing them so that they seem to back up your argument is a bad idea.

          • Daniel says:

            But really, we are done here. I literally do not care how you respond to my comments. Why? Because it’s clear that all you do is quote cherry-picked, proof-texted Scripture at me to prove your argument while ignoring what I just said. That’s not how a person properly debates another person. It’s impossible to have a conversation with someone who does that for their debate strategy. I’m a man — either accept it or live angry about it.

          • Geritude says:

            Loved never listened to any of my arguments either Daniel. Apparently my idea of love is a mental illness and a sin. I’m glad you found yourself and regardless of what anyone may say there is nothing wrong with defending who you are. However, not many people on this site see things that way… also yeah the F-bomb would be awesome right now.

          • Loved says:

            Geritude you left the conversation without saying a word why? Probably because you couldn’t answer my questions.
            Don’t try making me look like the one who’s running off here.

          • Geritude says:

            Dude I stopped talking to you because you never answered any of my questions without picking at scripture or just replying with more questions. It’s as Daniel said, “impossible to have a conversation with someone who does that for their debate strategy.”

          • Loved says:

            Don’t just pick and choose to your liking…
            You know they say “To much sugar preechen causes truth decay ”
            I really think that’s what a lot of people get these days.
            Thankfully I’m not one of them.

        • Loved says:

          I said usually… some people do it.. because they need something worth living for…

  15. Daniel says:

    I’m a transgender man who also happens to be a Christian. My new name is Daniel, which means “God is my judge.” My name doesn’t mean “Right-wing Christianity is my judge.” God made me a man in a woman’s body so we could share in the act of creation. To learn how to be kind, gentle, and in-tuned with my emotions before I transition into a gender whose emotions are suppressed by society. Fixing the disconnect between my gender and my body is no more sinful than getting prescription lenses for my astigmatism and antidepressants for my obsessive-compulsive disorder.
    This blog is a terrible, terrible place that tricks impressionable young Christians into going against science, against love and acceptance of others, against common sense and logic, and against the core of Christianity — the teachings of Jesus — in the name of a “biblical” lifestyle. What if I told you that God doesn’t want our lives to be “biblical?” What if I told you that They want our lives to be like Christ? And guess what — Jesus Christ never spoke a word about being transgender. What he did say was to love others, to care for the poor and oppressed, and to treat one another as equals. Worry less about bare shoulders and other people’s chromosomes and more about whether you’re actually acting similar to the guy you worship.

    • lєχι c says:

      Preach I’m bi and cristian and I am sick of people treating me like it wrong when the Bible legit says nothing of it. Even if it did say that Jesus was the one who made me bi so??! Plus the Bible legit says he love sinner and that no one is perfect so what the big deal for? God love you regardless of LGBTQ or not.

  16. Vell says:

    I’m not sure whether you’ll read this or not but, I believe I understand what Jasper means. Basically, the way being trans works is that your gender is determined by your mind (and I believe your soul as well) and sometimes it happens that their body doesn’t match the gender that they intrinsically feel they are. People are born, and they have a gender identity, and it’s not their choice; however, sometimes their body doesn’t seem to match up. So they choose to transition (hence being trans). I personally know a few religious trans people, and they believe that being trans is just another struggle in life to lead towards their own growth and development, and believe that that is what God intended. However, I am not trans myself, and someone who is may be able to explain better.

    • Daniel says:

      You’ve got it pretty much right, Vell. I’m trans and Christian, and I can confirm. God didn’t make a mistake when creating me; They just made me a little different so I could have a special spiritual experience.

  17. Daniel says:

    Ahh, a response. Very interesting.
    I don’t think you read my comment properly. It sounds to me like you’re under the impression that I contradicted myself, even though I actually didn’t. I said that maybe Christians are not supposed to be living “biblically” as defined by these two girls (which is quite a narrow, suppressed, and regressive way to live, by the way) inasmuch as they should live in a Christlike way. Christianity isn’t about following the Bible to a T and getting everything perfect. It’s about following Jesus Christ, you know, the guy the religion is named after. Guess what. Jesus never rails against the gays, complains about trans people, or panics over exposed ankles in the Bible. What he does do is promote peace, justice for the oppressed, charity, forgiveness, and love. He goes out of his way to kick against the gender roles and strict religious dogma of his day. He came to free, whereas this blog is here to oppress impressionable young women with standards of “purity” that are just about insurmountable. It’s disgusting.
    The duo that runs this blog and anyone who agrees with their rhetoric, well, I daresay that they don’t have the right to call themselves Christian. Because they are certainly not acting like their Christ. I’m under the impression that when a person is this fixated on modesty and purity and opposing “our culture,” they don’t really care about theology. They just want to police people’s lives and shame anyone who doesn’t live up to their standards. And that isn’t what a Christian is supposed to do.
    I’m not sure what point your last statement was supposed to make, because I couldn’t understand it. I think you’re accusing me of not being Christian. Well, why so? Because I’m trans? Because I don’t buy into the lies this blog promotes? Because I dare call myself Christian even though I’ve turned my back on evangelicalism and fundamentalism? Because I believe that grace is more important than creed? Answer me. I’d like to know.

  18. Daniel says:

    God made me with astigmatism and obsessive-compulsive disorder. Are you really going to argue that it’s sinful for me to get corrective lenses and antidepressants so I can live a good, fulfilling life? So why would it be any different when I get HRT and surgery so my body will be better aligned to my true gender?

  19. Daniel says:

    It may be your rhetoric. I know that the fact you use a thinking emoji as your username bothers me for some reason. I think it’s because I’ve seen it used facetiously so much that I involuntarily get defensive when I see it. I’m sorry if I sounded aggressive. I’ll admit I was angry. I’ll try to be calmer now.
    But honestly, I didn’t understand what your last question was asking. Could you rephrase it, please?

    • L says:

      Oh…. okay I’ll change it to a name if you’d like..
      I’m not sure what exact question your asking me to rephrase… I’m sorry.. I honestly get tired of asking questions and being ignored so… i was just trying to see if anyone’s going to answer me.
      I’ll change the emoji to “L” which is the first letter of my middle name.

      • L says:

        And I was using that emoji because I thought It was one that could be used for a confused person… my middle name is Lanay… so I’ll just comment using the first letter of it. If that doesn’t bother you…

      • Daniel says:

        When you said “I guess it’s easier when you give what religion you believe in…” I’ve never heard a statement phrased like that before, so I got kinda confused. What did you mean by that?

        • L says:

          I was asking if you where Catholic Pentecostal evangelical /first Baptist church of Christ charismatic or Calvinist /reformed… that at least gives me what type of religion you believe in…
          I’m just trying to get answers

          • Daniel says:

            Non-denominational Progressive Christian, I guess. I’m still sorta figuring out my church affiliation. Might join the United Church of Christ. I like their theology.

          • L says:

            Oh ok… well I disagree with you a lot… but hope Gods truth will find you one day….

          • Daniel says:

            It already has. You may not like it, but it has. And the truth is that it’s not a sin for me to be trans. God didn’t make a mistake; They just made me different and that’s okay. We’re sharing in the act of creation. I don’t need humans’ permission to be who I am. See ya.

          • L says:

            But truth is against such sin… and anybody who is against truth is against God.

        • L says:

          My Gods not a God of mistakes of weakness of mix gender or of just love MY GOD is PERFECT he’s STRONG he’s made it clear that it’s just male and female, not male insides/ female outsides, my God is A JUST LOVING GOD, But when I say just I mean JUST ! he’s not going to allow me or anyone else to change his design for us! My God is the one and only God who made everyone perfect! And won’t be lowered to yours or anyone else’s standards…
          So I’ll make this clear, I’m loved, confused (of people thinking their going to change his design) I’m HIS! I’m saved and I’m not changing his words for mine!

    • L says:

      I believe or think, your referring to the question that I asked about “Also are you saying that you’ve found that Christ says not to act like him or be like him?
      I guess it’s easier when you give what religion you believe in”

      I was asking the question because of your comment I was little confused….
      Just asking what exactly you where saying in that first post.
      Like it would help me not be confused if I knew what religion you believe in that way I won’t ask so many questions….

  20. Daniel says:

    Evolution isn’t a religion. It’s science. Conservative Protestants are pretty much the only people who believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. Catholics acknowledge evolution, progressive Christians acknowledge evolution, I as a Christian acknowledge evolution. It’s not wrong to go, “Hey, maybe God inspired the writer of Genesis to write it as an allegory for a very complicated scientific process that its audience wouldn’t understand for several thousand years.”

  21. Daniel says:

    Religion as defined by the online Oxford English Dictionary:
    “The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.”
    So no, evolution is not a religion. Facts don’t go away simply because you don’t believe them. Evolution poses a problem to Christian theology only when you interpret Genesis literally. It makes sense to interpret Genesis non-literally when you consider the complexity of modern origin science. I find it way more plausible to believe that God would inspire the writer of Genesis to explain the world’s origins in allegorical terms, since they lacked much of modern scientific understanding. Evolution wouldn’t make sense to them, especially considering that they lived in a time when most people probably thought the earth was a flat, square surface and all substances on earth were derived from water, fire, earth, and air. The important point of the creation story of Genesis is to make it clear that all things came from God and that God is all-powerful — i.e. to prevent idolatry, to which the ancient Israelites seemed highly susceptible. The Bible is not a science textbook. It’s the complex and poetic story of a holy God redeeming a sinful humankind.
    Look, I’m not having an origins debate with you. Don’t interpret the Bible so literally that you run afoul of science and ethics.

  22. Geritude says:

    …That was a joke right?

  23. Geritude says:

    Not really, this article really is toxic.

  24. Sylvia McDonald says:

    In Psalms 139:14 it says, “I praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made”. In that psalm, it continues to talk about how God made us and knew us before we even existed. God made trans people just like everyone else. I know for a fact God made me trans for a reason and even though its caused me struggles (no thanks to people who discriminate against trans people), I’ve learned a lot about kindness, love and patience thanks to Him. I am a child of God, a follower of Jesus and I am non-binary. I love Him with all my heart and I am so thankful He made me who I am even if some of His followers don’t understand why He made me this way.

  25. Daniel says:

    Yeah, and no offense, but it’s kind of personal and I’d appreciate you not prying into it.

  26. Loved says:

    Listen I don’t hate ANYBODY but I do hate sin! God hates sin and hates the sinner!
    The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.
    Psalms 11:15
    Only the repented sinner shall see God!
    Hate me if you want but God is my redeemer!
    I’m supposed to pray for you but not accept your sin!

  27. Alex says:

    So did I “change my gender” when I was ten years old and realized that I never felt comfortable with myself, never felt like I was enough, never felt like anyone would like me, because I was born the wrong gender? Being transgender isn’t a choice. It isn’t something I did willfully. Some days I’m so upset that I don’t feel comfortable in my body that it physically hurts. I used to pray to god all the time and ask him to fix me but he didn’t. He didn’t listen to ten year old me’s cries, so they must not have been needed. I’m allowed to be transgender, I’m not a sinner because I’m wired to think more like a man than a woman.
    I hope you find peace.

  28. Kristal Busby says:

    I found this post because someone said it was terrible and included the link.

    I read through a lot of the comments. It’s sad. I feel for everyone. No one gets it exactly right. No one gets it completely wrong.

    I am a transsexual woman (I did not say I was a ‘woman’ for a reason… God didn’t make me a woman). I started transition transition at the age of fifty.

    I had lost my faith sixteen years prior. And no, I did not hate God and leave the church. I simply had a crisis of faith and didn’t recover. S, it happens that I was outside of faith when I transitioned.

    God made Himself known to me again and I found my way back to my Christian church. They do not condone nor condemn what I am.

    My church elders and I have treated each other with great respect and have talked many hours on how to align ourselves with our beliefs. I refuse to rewrite scripture to make justify my desire for a husband.

    Where I’m at right now is that I believe God did not make me this way. I am this way because I live in a fallen world. I had gender dysphoria, sought helpx transitioned as treatment and my life is much better.

    It doesn’t really matter why I am the way I am. I can say “I was born this way. It’s not my fault” and that may be true, but that does not give me license to go against God’s original plan. So the best way for me to live is as a transsexual, so I don’t have to suffer the dysphoria, but as a life- long celibate, so I don’t sin against God.

    This is how I see it today.

    I think it’s interesting that it was transitioning itself that lifted the fog of my dysphoria, which allowed me to start thinking clearly enough again, to see God.

    There are not going to be any easy answers. Being born different does not mean we can freely sin and blame our condition. And being fortunate enough to not have these issues to deal with does not make one a super Christian and devoid of all empathy when someone has these disorders. Loved seem pretty logical and has largely sound reasoning from what I’m reading but I frrl a real lack of empathy. But I may be too close to the issue.

    God bless everyone and Merry Christmas.

  29. Daniel says:

    I don’t remember asking for your opinion on it.

  30. Daniel says:

    I am a Christian. You don’t get to decide that I’m not just because I’m different from you. Look, I don’t have time to sit here and let you pick me apart, scrutinize my spiritual life, and insult my God. I can’t believe I’ve let myself care what other people think for this long, either. I’m a busy college man with lots to do. It’s time for us to part ways. Bye-bye.

  31. Daniel says:

    Whatever floats your boat, Jan. Bye now.

  32. Daniel says:

    My mindset was more along the lines of “statistically, I only have 15 or so more years to live before I get murdered in a hate crime or something for being trans, so I don’t know why I’m wasting that precious time talking to a bunch of fundamentalists,” but you believe what makes you feel better about yourself, Jan. Bye now.

  33. Daniel says:

    And now the comments section of your precious conservative echo chamber has at least 50 trans rights symbols on it, courtesy of my avatar and I. Mwhahahaha.

    • Silhouette says:

      Shows what type of so called “Christian” you are!
      I don’t think your symbols are going to bother anyone espessialy since the comments that go along with them are very very self centered…. but have your own laugh and waist your breath.

    • ionlyworshiphayleykiyoko says:

      Why do you think I have my avatar set to a pride month image I made? To bother the kind of people who like this damaging drivel!

  34. Loved says:

    Excuse me SedaJane but “indulging in secret sin”? Excuse me? But who do you think I am as a matter of fact you don’t know anything about me yet you say I’m in secret sin? Wow

    • SedaJane says:

      Exactly. I know absolutely nothing about you, just as you know nothing about me.

      I may owe you a bit of an apology there. I was referencing Ps. 19:12 from memory, but having looked it up, it speaks of “secret faults” and “presumptuous sins” (KJV), not “secret sins” as I remembered. I was interpreting your comments so far to indicate that you don’t understand or know what transgenderism or GD are, yet you are making judgments and accusations about them, therefore you are unaware of that fault (it is secret or hidden from yourself). Does that make better sense?

  35. SedaJane says:

    This comment is in response to one by “Loved,” posted far far down the thread of 202 comments and counting:
    1. Good idea.
    2. I won’t promise to forget, but I won’t reference an earlier remark without reposting in this conversation. No directing either of us to the prior conversation lost in the maze of earlier posts.
    3. Absolutely! Thanks for requesting this.
    4. See #3 – same answer!
    I think you also said something about not liking scientific “lalagaga,” but I can’t promise to not bring that into our conversation for the same reason it would be futile to speak of iPhones, airplanes, and America without moving outside the pages of the Bible. That said, I am a Christian so the Bible is key to my understanding and guide to my life; I am also transgender (TG), so my understanding of TG and GD (gender dysphoria) is formed not only by the Bible, but my experience as a TG woman, those of other TG people, and the information gleaned from the scientific exploration of the TG phenomena over the course of the last century.

    • Loved / seek says:

      Alrighty SedaJane let’s see which way this conversation flys.
      Please, what is your beliefs on the God of the bible? Who is he and what has he done?
      And what would you consider yourself? Mormon,Muslim, Presbyterian, Lutheran, reformed Calvinist, etc?
      Also how did you become a Christian?
      If you wish i will and can answer these same questions after your reply.

      • SedaJane says:

        You can call me Seda. It’s my first name and what I go by, Jane is my middle name.
        1. This could fill entire libraries and barely touch the surface, but I’ll distill it down to a few key points. a. God is Creator of the Universe, the Almighty, Alpha and Omega. He is spirit (John 4:24). God is love (1 John 4:8). Etc., etc. b. I’m just going to mention one thing among infinity – He gave His Son to save the world, to take all my sin and yours and everyone’s onto Himself, to be the sacrifice for our salvation; a free gift of grace unearned and unearnable (see John 3:16). For this we owe Him endless homage and gratitude.
        2. None of those you listed. I consider myself solely a Christian. I follow Jesus Christ, not someone who follows/tries to follow/thinks he’s following Jesus.
        3. That is another long story/journey, but I’ll distill it down to a moment on September 12, 1980, in Jacksonville, North Carolina, when I opened my heart and accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior.

        Yes, I’d be interested in seeing you answer the same questions.

        • Loved / seek says:

          Ok.
          1. God is creator of everything! Genesis 1, Psalms 95:3 ESV he is great and abone all! Psalms 7:11 Deuteronomy 10:17
          1 John 4:16 Hebrews 12:29 God is just, God is love” God is a consuming fire, the bible is his word John 16:7-15 Mark 3:10-11 2 Peter 1:20-21 John 14:26 John 16:13- 15 every word is true proverbs 30:5
          He has given life to those who repent and turn away from their sin and follow him and his word Acts 8:22 John 3:16 etc
          We therefore owe our life’s to him.
          2. I will agree that can be a long story to tell… everyday is a new day, but I was justified when I begged God to forgive me for my sin and asked him to create in me a clean heart and repented of my sin and ever since I have been being sanctified by his grace and love day to day, it was only through him that I opened my eyes if it were not for him doing and being there I know I would of never have changed, I am not perfect no one is but, when I fail I am even more aware of his grace and am even more disgusted with the sin that holds me (us all ) captive when we do not have him in our lifes.

          • SedaJane says:

            So we have that much in common, yet you think that being trans is rebellion against God. Why? How many trans people do you know personally? How many do you know well?

          • Loved/seek says:

            I believe we still are missing something.
            Because it’s going against the way he made you.
            I have a lesbian cousin, I know a man who turned woman, etc but I don’t think that means much.
            I think we both have a different view of sin, it would help to know what you view sin as and what you would call sin?
            I also believe I missed a question i had to ask you… what type of church do you go to?
            Also why do you think changing your gender is okay with God?
            Seda, how can you say changing the way God made your body and you is okay?

          • SedaJane says:

            Church first; I mostly attend Grace Community Fellowship in Eugene, Oregon, but have also recently started attending 1st Baptist in Eugene, where a dear friend is a member and I’m in my second Women’s group Bible study (“Redeemed,” by Angela Thomas-Pharr). How about you?

            I’m going to ask to put off the subject of sin, not to avoid it but because it’s a big one and I want to address the other issue you bring up first.

            I want to be really clear, and I’m asking that you listen and take this in: both Daniel and I have repeated this, and I want to emphasize it: I am absolutely, 100% positive that you cannot change your gender. I am absolutely, 100% positive that you cannot change the gender God has given you. Is that clear? YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR GENDER. No matter how much you want to, no matter how hard you pray, no matter what you believe, you do not have a choice. You cannot change your gender. I’m really hoping you hear me on this, because even though I’ve repeated it a number of times, you just asked why I think changing my gender is okay. I’m saying, that’s irrelevant, because you don’t have a choice; you cannot change your gender. Before we move on, I want to make sure that you understand that I am completely positive that you cannot change your gender.

            And one question: do you believe that male and female brains are exactly the same? That if a male had a brain transplant from a female, that the new brain would immediately adapt to the new body and adopt a male identity?

          • Loved / seek says:

            Ok, I attend grace family fellowship (a family integrated church). Doing “Behold your God” by John Snyder.
            I understand you say that, but your life clearly doesn’t show it, you cannot be born with a female brain and a male body. No I don’t think you will adapt to the new body and adopt a new identity, your identity should be found in Christ.
            What are your thoughts on the last?
            I do not believe anyone is born with a female brain and male body, that would be saying God made a mistake.
            Your take?

          • SedaJane says:

            My life does show it. I spent the majority of it in a vain, persistent, and futile effort to change my gender. I only found peace when I transitioned. Transition literally saved my life. I’d be dead now had I continued to deny my real nature and live as a man. That is not hyperbole. That is a simple statement of fact.

            You say that one cannot be born with a female brain and a male body. Why? What is your authority for making this statement?

            You say that if one were born with a female brain in a male body, it would prove that God makes mistakes. Why? Why would that be a mistake?

            Yes, your identity should be found in Christ. But what does that mean? Does that mean you don’t have a gender?

          • SedaJane says:

            Let me put this a different way (you can google these terms, I can’t paste or the comment won’t post):
            – Klinefelter’s syndrome is a real condition where people are born with XXY chromosomes. Does that prove that God makes mistakes?
            – Autism is a real medical condition that affects cognition. Does that prove that God makes mistakes?
            – AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) is a real condition where people with XY (genetically male) chromosomes are unable to process testosterone and development appearing physically female. Does that mean that God makes mistakes?

            Why is it that the only medical condition one might suffer from that is impossible because it would mean God makes mistakes, is transgenderism?

          • Loved /seek says:

            Sedajane, I have answers but their on my phone… last night a sibling spilt almond milk all over it and now we are just waiting and hoping that this morning it still works.. if it does when it does I still hope to talk but I can’t use my sister’s phone all the time so I hope you understand.

          • SedaJane says:

            I hope it works. Reply when you can.

          • SedaJane says:

            Loved, I’m going to apologize in advance. I know I should give you a chance to respond before posting more, but I was thinking about how you were offended in the earlier thread when I misquoted Ps. 19:12 about you, yet you seemed comfortable in accusing me of sexual immorality in both thought and execution because I’m trans. So I’d like to share some of those “sexually immoral” thoughts I’ve had in regards to TS (transgenderism) and GD (gender dysphoria). These are actual quotes, repeated so many times in my internal dialogue that they are engraved in my memory:

            “Oh God oh God oh God, help me! God I can’t stand it! Help! Help me! Take this away from me! Have mercy on me! Oh God, help me!”

            “Father, I want to do your will. Help me do thy will, Father. Help me. Tell me what to do. What is your will, Father? Do you want me to live as a man? I’ll try, Father, I’ll try, but You have help me! I can’t do it on my own I can’t do it, Father! I think I’m going to die. Help me, Father. What is thy will? Show me a sign. Please? How do I know?”

            This one ran on an almost constant loop during my waking hours for about a year before I started to transition: “I can’t go on. I’ve got to end this. My life insurance should be enough to support Kristin [my wife] until she can find someone else, but I have to make it look like an accident. No one can know it’s suicide. I can’t put that burden on my boys. They have to believe it’s an accident. I can ride my bike across the tracks in front of a train. But how can I be sure? What can I do? I’ve got to end this.”

            And after surgery: “Thank you, God! Oh, thankyouthankyouthankyou! Thank you for my surgery! Thank you for Marcie! [the surgeon, Dr. Marcie Bowers]. Thank you for my insurance! Thank you! Oh God, I’m so grateful! Thank you!”

            So there you have it – the real internal dialogue of a transgender Christian.

          • Loved/seek says:

            Seda, I apologize… something has come up and after today I will not be able to talk, again my apologies.
            I understand… in a sense.
            Seda, do you believe Gods power is bigger then your feelings to be opposite then who you are?
            If so why did you do it? Why did you feel like you had to be opposite to feel good about yourself and accepted?
            Don’t you get it? Anyone on earth could feel better to be in a different situation, I know I could at the moment.. but does that mean we all throw down our hands go with the feeling (movement) and change everything ourselves?
            That isn’t Gods will, don’t you think that if he knew you should be a woman to feel better and not be miserable he would of created you that way? If God truly knew you would go against his design for you do you think we would of?
            This transition is dangerous is it not? It still can be right now for you….
            Your “condition” (as you call it) isn’t medical isn’t a disease etc…
            It’s what you wanted, it’s what seda wanted, but deep down you weren’t sure right? You begged your creator to help you but did you let him? Did you give him control of the reigns?
            That question is a risky one… because if you did then why did you take back control? Was he not a good driver etc? Or if you didn’t why not?
            Seda, you say all of this about suicide but would you have done it with God truly in control over your life? Would you have ended all if God was your savior and redemption? If he was your source of joy and happiness?
            Was this change God designed and defined? Or was it “no answer I can’t love like this I must move on”?
            Seda, I do not with all my heart believe that God tells or allows anyone to change his design or plan for you, look at Adam and Eve satan wanted them to change Gods design for their lives and when they did, they didn’t go without reprocautio.
            Do you understand how much he’s in control of a true believers life? He’s in control of everything from the biggest days of our lives to the smallest including who we are and what we are.
            If you say well then this was his will, then your saying God has allowed man to make and change his image.
            Seda look at your wife, is she beautiful the way she is? Look at your boys are they not amazing? How much so does God look at see his design for his children!
            Seda, no matter how much or how many times you say but I was miserable, he’s still saying “I made you the way I wanted in my image in the beginning”
            Everyone tries to say it’s a medical condition, but truly it’s a heart condition.
            Lung cancer it’s different… you have a lung transplant because one lung is bad but you don’t replace it with a brain or heart but with another lung.
            Seda what you read and listen yo from other pastors and people will gave affect on your life and that’s why you must be taking in the right affect, there are more then a couple false teachers who will tell you it’s okay, som s are famous right now, but again we don’t look to men but to God. The few that are good are hard to find, but the ones I know are amazing and their love and perseverance for Christ is absulutly amazing!! Look and find Voddie Baucham, Paul washer, John Macarthur, John Snyder, Richard Owen Roberts there are more, but look at these all say it’s wrong and you cannot tell me that even though every part of their lives are pointing to Christ that their wrong. But you look at the men who are telling you “well maybe” and are their lives truly pointing to Christ?
            Seda, all these medical scientist, do they have truly godly lives? Are they Christians? Or are they men and women who are grasping and searching for straws just to find a way?
            Does not God know you better?
            Seda, look at Chrsit his love and sacrifice how he has to do everything to make a way and turn our hearts to him, do you not think he knows your every fiber?
            These docters who say your body is one but you brain is the other, are they wiser then God?
            Seda, look at yourself! Are you created the way he made you now?
            This has hurt others, no matter how much people want to deny their choices hurt others they do.
            Familia has a girl but wanted a boy, so after 17-18 years of rejection from parents not friends but parents she decides to transition become a boy lives in their garage acts like one…. and then she dies, leaving friends and relatives hurt because her transition was dangouras, and things went wrong months (possibly years) after surgery and she dies, parents didn’t care, people who truly cared hurt.
            Seda, look at your boys and tell me do they deserve to go through an accident whether it be suicide or a transition? Do they deserve to be hurt? Do they deserve to be told that if they have a season of disapproval in their life that they need to change who they are to be happy? That they need to change the way God made them to live in approval by men and self rather then by God?
            Seda, my life is a story that is still being written, I’ve been through the death of several siblings, a grandfather, and almost my mom, I’ve been rejected by friends, my parents have been rejected by parents and siblings because they chose to follow Christ, I’ve seen my mom weep over my brothers body and many others I’ve seen my Dad who is a very strong man be threatened his job by jealous bosses, I’ve seen many family’s go through hardship, but does that mean we give up? Does that mean that I throw down the towel and say God if you don’t change my situation I will?
            Seda, the pain and rejection of ourselves is just another way of him bringing us closer to him! And just because our sinful body’s call for something else doesn’t mean we change everything to be approved.

          • SedaJane says:

            You still don’t get it, Loved, do you? I feel sad that you are leaving this conversation while you are still judging trans people on a double standard.

            You list five human teachers who don’t know anything about transgenderism as infallible. That is a mistake. Did they ever cite a single Bible passage against trans people and transition? No, because there isn’t one. You (and they) are mistaking culture and tradition for the Word of God, just as Caiaphas and the Pharisees did when they allowed divorce. You make all kinds of judgments about my life, yet you know so little about it. You try to tell me I’m a sin, yet you can’t cite a Bible passage that says so. You hold me to the perfect, original cisgender heterosexual cognitive norm of Adam and Eve, but do you hold people with autism, AIS, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, cerebral palsy, etc., to that standard? No, you don’t. You embrace the New Testament for yourself, but insist that I be judged by Old Testament law. You accept with gratitude modern medical science regardless of who discovers or practices it, but insist that the only science that can apply to me be discovered or practiced by a Christian, and even then it has to be a Christian who believes your human, fallible teachers more than Jesus, just as you do. That is a double standard. It is hypocrisy. It impedes the Gospel of Jesus Christ, because it creates a stumbling block for trans people and the people who know and love them, and who know because of that that you and the teachers you hold so much faith in are wrong. They feel rejected and unfairly judged by Christians like you, and so they reject the Gospel before they even hear it. And as soon as you are confronted with the double standard you employ, you leave the conversation, without either dealing with or addressing it. To me, that looks like cowardice. I hope it’s not.

            I’ll leave you with some things you can read, that will perhaps give you food for thought and help you repent:
            “Understanding Gender Dysphoria,” by Mark Yarhouse (a Christian perspective).
            1 Sam. 16:7; Isa. 56:3-5; Matt. 5:29-30; Matt. 19:11-12; Rom. 2:1-11.

            Loved, I have confidence because Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ alone, is my judge. You would do well to abandon your personal judgment of trans people, to rely solely on Matthew 7:1-5 & 12, Matthew 22:36-39, and Micah 6:8 for your treatment and conversation about trans people, and trust God to convict their hearts. Only God can convict them, only God can change them, and only God knows what changes to make. I will pray for you. Be well.

          • Loved/seek says:

            SedaJane, you leave me with fleshy men’s words and not with Christ’s.
            I again apologize but you have no idea what is going on in my life so you can’t make that statement Daniel leaves all conversations because she can’t defend her argument not because of the fact that something is going on.
            You probably didn’t even look up those men. You didn’t even answer my questions instead you cut around them, I answered questions.
            You call me to repeat but what of? For speaking the word of God and asking you to give me somewhere in Gods word where he gives you permission for changing yourself to something your not?
            You ask me to look to men and women who are of the flesh for answers but I’m telling you they have nothing when it comes to the word of God.
            Autism is a medical condition. Transgenderism is you changing your gender because you don’t feel good about yourself, tell me Seda do you see someone with Autism able to change the way God made them? You don’t read the bible passages that state that God made you one gender not two to change whenever, you don’t read the bible passages that state that when you go after sin you will be judged. I’ve given scripture but you kept twisting it’s meaning for your own.
            I never said any of the above statement of who must accept what scientist, I don’t accept the ones that against Gods word I don’t accept the baby murder scientists or the pills that they give I don’t accept them with approval of their sin.
            The problem with this conversation is that while I look to the bible you want to throw scientists in my face.
            You give me verses you refuse to obey yourself,
            but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
            Romans 2:8 ESV

            I read all of those and again you’ve taken the few that aren’t meant to be used in such a way and have twisted them to try and make them fit your want and need.
            Seda, you say don’t judge but then you go around telling others to repent when they ask you to look deeper into the scriptures, what? Because I choose to follow the word of God and make it plain I don’t accept but pray for you?
            Seda, I don’t judge but pray that God will change the people who are blind to his word, you stop at every blog post that speaks out against it just to start trying to make it right and acceptable.
            You say :”and trust God to convict their hearts. Only God can convict them, only God can change them, and only God knows what changes to make. I will pray for you. Be well.”
            You say this but you go and change yourself, I thought God only knew what changes to make Seda?
            Convict them of what? You claim it’s not wrong but now there’s something to convict them of?

            The problem here Seda, is deep down you know it’s wrong, but you have chosen to go after people who pray for you day after day and then call then to repent, I do trust God to convict them, but I believe he uses his children to plant seeds in their hearts.

            You have failed to answer my questions like you said you would, you have failed to find scripture that truly supports you changing your gender, Seda, don’t pray for me please rather pray for yourself because you just told me that God needs to convict you of your sin and I’d rather you spend your time praying for what I’m guessing you must call your “unconvicted heart”

            You and I live in a world that believes we (ourselves) must be satisfied with our condition to be happy but I’m telling you God calls us out of that movement and into his!

            For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
            Philippians 1:29 ESV

            that no one be moved by these afflictions. For you yourselves know that we are destined for this.
            1 Thessalonians 3:3 ESV

            Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
            2 Timothy 3:12 ESV

            And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
            Ephesians 2:1‭-‬3 ESV

            They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
            John 17:16 ESV

            Seda, answer the questions all of them if you can hold your argument so well, but I tell you I’m not looking for answers from the scientists and transgender authors.

          • Loved / seek says:

            Seda, I would never declare myself self righteous, so please don’t do a Daniel stunt with me.

          • SedaJane says:

            Ok, I’ll go back and answer every one of your questions. But first, you admit the autism is a medical condition, and then say, “Transgenderism is you changing your gender because you don’t feel good about yourself….” For the third or fourth time, I ask, what is your authority for this statement? Is it just your opinion, and you have an infallible dispensation from God to make this call? What is it? If it’s the Bible, please explain why and how the passage you cite is relevant.

            You allow medical science to address autism, but then say you are not interested in, and deny the reality of, the science of transgenderism. How is that NOT a double standard?

            Finally, after your post I wrote Dr. John Snyder of Christ Church of New Albany directly, requesting that he engage with me on this subject. I hope he does.

            It looks like long comments are being moderated, so I will answer each of your questions in it’s own post. It’ll be tricky, but hopefully will work.

          • Loved / seek says:

            Alrighty Seda, I’m surprised you answered back I thought you would give up and leave this conversation.
            But I believe you owe me answers to my questions first since I asked you first and then you brought up the other stuff, if you don’t mind.
            Wow that’s impressive! Dr.John Snyder is awesome, I hope he does as well, I would like to know if he dies engage with you in this conversation.
            Thank you I appreciate it.

          • Loved / seek says:

            *does engage with you.

          • SedaJane says:

            Maybe you should write him, too, and ask him to engage with me.

          • SedaJane says:

            All right, Loved, I took over 2 hours to answer about 40 of your questions. Now I have just one that I’m asking you answer for me: You’ve explicitly stated your acceptance of modern medical science in regards to autism and lung cancer, and have also explicitly rejected modern medical science in regard to transgenderism. How is that NOT a double standard?

            If you cite any Bible passage in your answer, please explain how and why it is relevant.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q1: “Do you believe Gods power is bigger than your feelings to be opposite then who you are?”
            A: I believe fully in God’s power over all the universe, including me. I believe in His answer to prayer. I also recognize that the assumption in your question that my feelings are opposite of who I am is in error, so I don’t know how to answer that part of the question. It has no answer, because it is a misstatement of my position.

            Q2: “If so why did you do it?”
            A: Do what? Transition? I did it to stop the agony of gender dysphoria (GD) and save my life.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q3: “Why did you feel like you had to be opposite to feel good about yourself and accepted?”
            A: Again, this question carries an assumption about me that simply isn’t true. I transitioned in order to stop the pain, in order to tell the truth, in order to escape the absolute emotional isolation of living a lie. I knew that in doing so, my acceptance in society would be drastically reduced (as it proved to be), but I was desperate and had run out of options.

            Q4: “Don’t you get it?”
            A: Yes, I get it with great clarity. Why don’t you get it?

          • Loved / seek says:

            Loving a lie? How so if that’s the way God made your body are you saying he made you a lie? I don’t see how you get it when you ignore it.

          • SedaJane says:

            Sorry, I don’t know what this was a response to. No, God didn’t make me a lie.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q5: “…does that mean we all throw down our hands go with the feeling (movement) and change everything ourselves?”
            A: Of course not.

            Q6: “… don’t you think that if he knew you should be a woman to feel better and not be miserable he would have created you that way?”
            A. First, feeling better and not being miserable seems kind of irrelevant to the reason(s) for being trans. As to why I’m created this way, who knows? Maybe this is the best way I can honor God. Maybe it’s just a consequence of the Fall. Why are people created with autism? Or Klinefelter’s Syndrome? Or AIS? I don’t know. That’s way above my pay grade.

          • Loved / seek says:

            That last one didn’t answer my question Seda.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q7: “If God truly knew you would go against his design for you do you think we would of?”
            A. I’m not exactly sure of what this question means, but I truly hope and believe I did not go against God’s design for me.

            Q8: “Thos transition is dangerous, is it not?”
            A. Yes, it certainly was! But it was a lot less dangerous than not doing it, and it worked our really well, over time.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q9: “It’s what you wanted, it’s what Seda wanted, deep down you weren’t sure, right?”
            A. Wrong. I didn’t want it. I didn’t want to betray my wife, who I love and loved dearly, and destroy her dreams and the relationship she relied on. I didn’t want to risk my life and my livelihood and my relationships with friends and family and even God. I wanted to stop the pain. I was desperate. I didn’t know whether transition would make things better or worse, but I knew I could not go on as I had been. And thank God! Thank you Jesus! It did become better. I no longer suffer from GD, my relationship with Kristin has become real and deep and better than before, I’ve been able to be a present, effective, and loving parent to my boys, I can deal with all of my problems, and my faith in God has grown deeper than ever before. My gratitude to God has no bounds.

            Q10: “You begged your creator to help you but did you let him?”
            A: I resisted for a long time, but finally I did, and He did. Thank God! All glory be to Him! My gratitude overflows.

          • Loved / seek says:

            Seda God never gives answers that go against his word and being.
            So your telling me that know it’s better because your boys don’t have a manly figure as an example?
            Your answer again goes against God, because where does God in his word take somebody and give them two genders? And then allow them to chose which gender they felt better with?

          • SedaJane says:

            A. It’s better that my boys have 2 loving, functional parents, and they do have “manly figures” as examples. We don’t live in the Alaskan wilderness. We have lots of friends and some family, including my brother.
            B. Where does His Word say He doesn’t? Where does He say we should get iPhones or that autism doesn’t exist? And I didn’t get to choose.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q11: “Did you give him control of the reigns?”
            A: I think you mean ‘reins,’ and yes, I finally let Him reign. ☺️

            Q12: “… if you did then why did you take back control?”
            A. I hope and believe He is still in control.

            Q13/14: “Was he not a good driver etc? Or if you didn’t why not?”
            A. See #12

          • Loved / seek says:

            Seda this statement goes against all your others, because in past comments you said it was your chose, and again that isn’t our creators way. Again Seda you have to KNOW not hope….. because if this hope isn’t right and this choice you made was wrong then that “hope” was really your want.

          • Loved / seek says:

            *choice

          • SedaJane says:

            Sorry, I don’t know what this was a response to.

          • SedaJane says:

            Q15: “You say all of this about suicide but would you have done it with God truly in control over your life?”
            A. Of course not! I didn’t do it. I’m still here. I chose to transition instead.

            Q16: “Would you have ended all if God was your savior and redemption?”
            A. He is. But you don’t understand the torture of trying to live with GD. You write it off as just a feeling, without seeming to have any compassion, empathy, or desire to understand. According to the 2015 National Transgender Survey, 41% of trans people have attempted suicide; who knows how many succeed. I’ve lost a friend that way. Does that sound to you like ‘just a feeling’? I’m saying I could not go on suffering GD. I had become almost completely nonfunctional. I was unable to relate with my wife or children and was failing in my job. My business was about to fail. My life was overcome with constant, chronic, acute suffering. And I chose to transition because the only other option was to die. Yes, God answered my prayers in that moment. He said, “No.” So I transitioned, and He said, “Welcome, daughter. Why did it take so long? Why did you resist so much?”

          • Loved / seek says:

            “Hope”? Truly Seda don’t you think you should of known more when you did it then hope?
            You mean dangerous because you would of taken your life because God can’t take care of you even though he’s in control?

          • SedaJane says:

            1. Maybe I should have, but I could only go with what I had.
            2. God did take care of me. He’s still taking care of me.

          • Loved / seek says:

            Misstatement of your position why so?
            That word gender dysphoria is a new word made up in 1973 a very new word… so is man’s ways better then man’s ways?

          • SedaJane says:

            Misstatement because I don’t have feelings to be opposite of who I am.
            Autism is a new word. Klinefelter’s Syndrome is a new word. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is a new term. iPhone is a new word. What’s your point?

  36. Daniel says:

    What part of “I’m done talking to you, BYE NOW” didn’t you understand?

  37. SedaJane says:

    Q22: “Look at the men who are telling you “well maybe “ and are their lives truly pointing to Christ?”
    A. Well, maybe. It depends. Some are, some aren’t. But that’s kind of irrelevant. I seek to follow Christ, not man.

    Q23-24: “all these medical scientists, do they have truly godly lives? Are they Christians?”
    A. Well, I don’t know. I expect some of them are. Do you ask your doctor about this whenever you ask the to treat you for some medical problem?

    Q25: “Or are they men and women who are grasping and searching for straws just to find a way?”
    A. I don’t think so. I think they are using the scientific method to explore the situation, are using evidence and data to support their conclusions, and developing treatment protocols based on positive outcomes, with compassion, regardless of whether or not they’re Christian.

    Q26/27: “Does not God know you better?” “…do you not think he knows your every fiber?”
    A. Absolutely! Of course!

    • SedaJane says:

      Q28: “These doctors who say your body is one but you brain the other, are they wiser than God?”
      A. Of course not! They’re just reporting on what they discover through autopsy and MRI studies. What does that have to do with anything?

      Q29: “Are you created the way he [God] made you now?”
      A. Yes. I am.

      Q30: “…do [your boys] deserve to go through an accident whether it be suicide or transition?”
      A. I’m pretty sure that by definition neither suicide nor transition is an accident, but my boys don’t deserve to go through any of those.

      Q31: “Do they deserve to be hurt?”
      A. Of course not! That’s kind of the point – or at least one of them!

      • SedaJane says:

        Q32: “Do they deserve to be told that if they have a season of disapproval in their life that they need to change who they are to be happy?”
        A. Well, maybe change what they’re doing, but of course not! I would never tell them that. Rather, they may need to BE who they are to be happy. Why do you even ask this?

        Q33: “That they need to change the way God made them to live in approval by men and self rather than by God?”
        A. Wow! That’s a pretty loaded question, and really pretty insulting. But let me point out that by transition, I did not gain approval by men, but rather the opposite – as demonstrated by this article and this conversation with you. I did not change the way God made me, but rather, accepted it, and got medical treatment to relieve the suffering I was experiencing. And I’ve been blessed by that. Why are you not even the least bit curious about what GD is and how it’s experienced?

        • SedaJane says:

          Q34: “I’ve seen many families go through hardship, but does that mean we give up?”
          A. Of course not.

          Q35: “Does that mean I throw down the towel and say God if you don’t change my situation I will?”
          A. I think sometimes God says, “If you don’t change your situation, I won’t!” We can’t just pray bout something and then shrug and say “oh well, God didn’t answer.” We have “put feet to our prayers,” as a former pastor of mine noted. We have to take responsibility for our lives and for following Jesus. Taking a completely passive role in our relationship with God is a cop out. We need to be proactive in following Him, willing to risk and step into the unknown, trusting Him to guide and hold us.

          There. I think that’s all your questions. If you have more, just ask.

  38. SedaJane says:

    Transgenderism IS a medical condition, it is noticeable, and there are specific physical differences in the form or structure of the brain that have been identified and recorded in multiple studies. You saying it isn’t is only a statement of your personal opinion, unsupported by evidence or scripture, in contradiction to fact, as if you claim the earth is flat and we might fall off of it.

    I’m sorry you have to go, and I’m disappointed that you have chosen not to address the double standard that you apply to transgender people. I believe that the double standard you hold, and share with many other Christians, causes real damage to the transgender community and to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am disappointed that even though you have failed to defend your own position/opinion, you also reject outright any evidence or experience I hold. I hope you will consider deeply in the days to come, will read “Understanding Gender Dysphoria,” by Mark Yarhouse, and will return to this conversation with an open heart and mind. Be well.

  39. V says:

    Genesis makes absolutely clear that God created man male and female and nothing else. This is “very good” and the only way human beings are able to fulfill what He has commanded of us. God does hate the wicked with a perfect and complete hatred because their sin is a great offense to Him. While we certainly hate sin and may give a righteous judgment on those who sin, we are commanded to love sinners that they might come to Christ rather than hate and cast them out. In terms of a transgender person calling themselves a Christian, it is biblically impossible. As we read in 1 Joh 3:9, “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.” This means that those who live in unrepentant sin are not Christians because they are living outside of the commands of the God they profess to love and honor.
    No scientist or docter can change this they are not God, we as Christians are supposed to look to the bible for our sole directions.
    No where in the bible do we find a man becoming a woman or a woman becoming a man by God’s hand.
    God is clear in his word that neither the sexual immoral or homesexual will inherit the kingdom of heaven. Sexual immoral can relate to ANYONE being sexual immoral.

    • guest sister says:

      i really hope someone shoves a knife in your throat and then you realize there is no god

  40. Ellie says:

    If everyone’s gonna bash this, be quiet. Totally. Please. If you don’t agree with these ladies, then go. But I got news for your, they’re just taking truths from the Bible and applying it to real life. God intentionally made two genders for a reason, and anything else is sin. Say it’s hate or racist speech. It’s not. God loves the people and hates the sin. What these ladies say and believe is 100% on it, and I honor them

    • Cyn says:

      Who are you to tell people here to go away if they disagree? The things they are saying are opinions based on their own indoctrination. It’s not biblical, it’s their opinions and it IS hateful (racist though? I see nothing about race here.) The sad thing is that they’ve been indoctrinated so deeply that they don’t see how hateful this is and neither do you. You are immature in your faith, and these women are banking on their opinion they claim is straight from God’s Word when it doesn’t say anything of the sort. The fact is it’s not addressed in scriptures at all because it would have been completely unacceptable in that culture just like many other things. They thought most health conditions were from evil too, and that IS scriptural. Does the Bible address babies born intersex? Of course not. But they exist. And they’re not devil babies, nor are they sinful. IF there can be intersex babies their can be transgender people. Just because the Bible doesn’t address it doesn’t mean it’s bad. After all you’re typing these things on electronic devices… none of which are mentioned in scriptures. Are you repenting of that? Of course not.

    • Ink_r says:

      Nah dude/ma’am, if we disagree with someone publicly stating their opinion (and trying to sell it as a book) we are going to speak up and debate. And if someone’s scared of being disagreed or argued with *they* can be quiet.

  41. Jodie Ella Harris says:

    This is absolutely horrifying. Right from the start the word “transgenderism” makes experiencing dysphoria and having to live with yourself even though you aren’t truly how the world percieves you sound like a choice. Like you just woke up one day and decided “I think I’ll experience one of the worst mental traumas known to mankind. Sounds like a blast!”

    It honestly saddens me that people are still living in a stone age esque state and know so little about these kinds of issues and yet they still continue to run their mouths like experts.

    No girl, no. Watch some Kalvin Garrah and get back to me.

  42. ionlyworshiphayleykiyoko says:

    Oh, you poor misguided souls…

  43. Daniel says:

    Anyway, happy Pride Month, y’all. God said Gay Rights and Trans Rights

  44. maia says:

    can like… i just say that if the human race were to start over again. we would still have homosexuality, transgender people, and science. however the religions they create (if there were any) would be completely different.


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